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General Election 12 December.

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This is NOT to become a second Brexit thread.

Thank you.

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7 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

No.

Well Johnson / Cummings haven't got a very good history of following rules correctly - or telling the truth - small things like that..................

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The tories;

 

prime minister elected without a majority and forms a coalition.

prime minister instigates a referendum to leave the eu which he personally disagrees with.

prime minister resigns cos he loses referendum he disagrees with.

prime minister is elected without general election and triggers article 50 setting clock ticking on leaving EU.

prime minister triggers general election and loses majority and has to enter pact with small party of NI politicians to form government.
prime minister fails to achieve majority to support deal to leave EU and resigns.

prime minister is elected without general election and is found to have misled queen and unlawfully prorogued parliament.

primer minister calls general election.................

 

if you can still choose to vote for this party - even on this one issue - and putting aside bedroom tax, universal credit and all the rest - then there is no hope for any of us.

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Another chapter in the Johnson / Cummings masterplan?

 

Or Farage spitting the dummy out?  (What happened to all SF's loyal Faragists from all of a few months ago?)

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-general-election-updates-today-candidates-deadline-a9202446.html

 

Farage threatens to report Tories to police over peerage claims

Nigel Farage has suggested he may report the Conservatives to police over their alleged attempts to bribe Brexit Party candidates into pulling out of marginal seats.

He told the Daily Telegraph the alleged conduct of Number 10 amounted to "full-on Venezuelan style corruption".

He added: "I expect there will be Police investigations into what has gone on here ... The offer of peerages for material return is clearly an offence. And I think this may unravel over the next couple of days.

"'There are lots of peerages being offered ... Today has been in industrial scale attempt to stop free and open politics happening in our country."

Conservatives have denied any jobs or peerages were offered to the Brexit Party.

Edited by Longcol

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Judging by tonight's Question Time, the penny is finally beginning to drop that the Conservatives are no longer the party 'Born to Rule.'

They are beginning to realise that the electorate is now better informed about the machinations of politicians and will no longer fall unquestioningly for their corruption, lies and spin.   

Edited by Anna B

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38 minutes ago, makapaka said:

The tories;

 

prime minister elected without a majority and forms a coalition.

prime minister instigates a referendum to leave the eu which he personally disagrees with.

prime minister resigns cos he loses referendum he disagrees with.

prime minister is elected without general election and triggers article 50 setting clock ticking on leaving EU.

prime minister triggers general election and loses majority and has to enter pact with small party of NI politicians to form government.
prime minister fails to achieve majority to support deal to leave EU and resigns.

prime minister is elected without general election and is found to have misled queen and unlawfully prorogued parliament.

primer minister calls general election.................

 

if you can still choose to vote for this party - even on this one issue - and putting aside bedroom tax, universal credit and all the rest - then there is no hope for any of us.

You don't seem to realise that prime ministers are elected by their party regardless of whether a GE takes place or not. The person who leads the party is chosen as PM and general elections have no part to play in that.

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53 minutes ago, apelike said:

You don't seem to realise that prime ministers are elected by their party regardless of whether a GE takes place or not. The person who leads the party is chosen as PM and general elections have no part to play in that.

Liz Savill Roberts (Question Time) made the very good point that our antiquated system is no longer fit for purpose and needs a massive overhaul.

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11 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

The reason they are not is probably due to the purdah rules being followed correctly.

The rules linked by CaptainSwing yesterday (post #408, 'Guidelines' link in the text: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/844380/General_Election_Guidance_2019.pdf) do not contain any provision allowing the Prime Minister to withhold a Select Committee report.

 

Rather, section D paragraph 3 of these Guidelines maintain the Committee Clerk post-dissolution, together with his attributions, including to publish, during purdah, a Select Committee report already approved for publication by that Select Committee prior to Parliament dissolution.

 

Now unless I am mistaken, the report under discussion was approved for publication prior to the purdah period. Johnson has just sat on it since for the sake of 'redaction', and so is acting beyond his powers (an opinion shared by quite a few British constitutional lawyers).

 

Oh, and Purdah is a not 'a curtain'. What's the matter, are you embarassed about the cultural provenance of the word? 

Edited by L00b

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9 hours ago, apelike said:

You don't seem to realise that prime ministers are elected by their party regardless of whether a GE takes place or not. The person who leads the party is chosen as PM and general elections have no part to play in that.

I do realise that.

 

any comment on the main points?

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

Oh, and Purdah is a not 'a curtain'. What's the matter, are you embarassed about the cultural provenance of the word? 

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The word ‘purdah’ is derived from the Persian word which means ‘veil’ or ‘curtain’ and describes the practice of women being kept hidden from men either through clothing or physical boundaries like curtains.

 

As such, the term has been described by some as sexist, with Harini Iyengar of the Women’s Equality Party tweeting: ‘I don’t use “purdah” to describe the “pre-election period” because it’s sexist & offensive.

 

‘Purdah was a tradition in Middle East & South Asia which required upper-class women to be physically secluded, kept out of sight & took away their human rights. The Taliban supported it.’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/06/political-purdah-start-finish-11049700

 

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Boris will reinstate local railway lines that were scrapped by Dr Beeching in the 60s and has pledged £500 million to reopen them starting with the north of England. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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1 hour ago, Sidonica said:

Boris will reinstate local railway lines that were scrapped by Dr Beeching in the 60s and has pledged £500 million to reopen them starting with the north of England. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

£500 million.  When HS2 alone costs £88 billion? 

 

I can't see £500 million going far.

 

Costs found from a rail report:
 

• Reopening a single track railway – open line £4.5m per mile

• Single platform terminus station £2.5m

• Double track terminus station £5m

 

The Borders railway:

 

The borders railway has recently reopened running from Edinburgh to Tweedbank. The line is predominantly single track, but with passing loops including some of substantial length (dynamic loops) so trains can pass without stopping. The line covers the following:

 

• Length 31 miles, 9 ½ miles of which is double track arranged as 3 dynamic loops

• 42 new bridges and 95 refurbished bridges (the line runs over a large number of bridges)

• 2 refurbished tunnels

• 7 stations

• Total cost £350m – approximately £11m per mile for all infrastructure including stations

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3 hours ago, makapaka said:

I do realise that.

 

any comment on the main points?

What points? 

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