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General Election 12 December.

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This is NOT to become a second Brexit thread.

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35 minutes ago, janie48 said:

Yes I hadn't thought about the students being on holiday, many of them won't get chance to vote. 

I'm undecided about who to vote for this time. 

Students can choose to vote in their university constituency, or their home one.

 

Let’s all hope that more students vote in this election than the referendum.

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3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Students can choose to vote in their university constituency, or their home one.

 

Let’s all hope that more students vote in this election than the referendum.

Are you sure they have that choice? 

 

I hope they vote because Labour need their votes. 

 

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1 minute ago, janie48 said:

Are you sure they have that choice? 

 

I hope they vote because Labour need their votes. 

 

They absolutely do.

 

I’m not sure how many of them will bother to take advantage of it though.

 

Both of my kids have. It looks like I’m voting three times .

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5 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

It’s worth bearing in mind that in 2017, the SNP lost a bunch of seats to both Labour and the Conservatives. As both those parties are standing on a pro-Brexit ticket, I suspect that the SNP could clear up in Scotland and Nicola Sturgeon knows that, hence her support for an early election.

 

If the Conservatives win and try to drag Scotland out of the EU on a hard Brexit, Scotland will soon get its independence. If we end up with a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem/Green coalition, Sturgeon’s price for her support is a second Scottish referendum.

 

The SNP will probably be the only party guaranteed to be smiling on December 13th.

 

 

 Does Sean Connery have to give his knighthood back if Scotland gain independence? 🚮

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2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Looking at the long list of more moderate and liberal Tory MPs standing down in December, the post-election Parliamentary Conservative Party will be much closer to Jacob Rees-Mogg than Ken Clarke.

 

Just heard that Nicky Morgan has stepped down too!

I've been watching Newsnight this evening, and the issue of the sheer level of abuse, death threats against MPs and family members was a motivating factor behind MPs decision to quit front line politics. I can't say that I blame them to be honest.

The whole Brexit issue really has poisoned the public arena, pretty much from day one, even before the referendum was held. I think Johnson should be very careful as he goes into the election with the whole 'people versus parliament' narrative, not least because it stokes up a toxic atmosphere. 

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8 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

They absolutely do.

 

I’m not sure how many of them will bother to take advantage of it though.

 

Both of my kids have. It looks like I’m voting three times .

 

9 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

They absolutely do.

 

I’m not sure how many of them will bother to take advantage of it though.

 

Both of my kids have. It looks like I’m voting three times .

They need to be reminded how fortunate they are to be able to vote and reminded that others in some countries don't share the same privilege 

 

 

3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

A handy dandy guide to voting.

 

BBC News - How to register to vote for a general election and other questions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49595260

That's informative. 

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14 hours ago, Car Boot said:

This is NOT to become a second Brexit thread, so I'll just leave this here:

 

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-trouble-with-being-both-anti-austerity-and-pro-eu/

Nice try. But I'm not seeing any evidence of the EU being pro-austerity there. Did you actually read and understand your link?

 

That link shows the EU asking for prudential measures as a condition of bailing financially-failed states (failed through "corruption and incompetence", says your link), to avoid recurrence.

 

These states all went to the EU asking for a bailout: they didn't have to, they were free to go to the markets, or to go bankrup,  instead. The EU said alright, but only if you stop spaffing taxpayer's money up a wall and start looking after it better.

 

These states could perfectly refuse the prudential strings and do without the bailout. Can you guess why these states still went for the EU bailouts, rather than going to the markets or going bankrupt?

 

I can well understand how so-called socialists would experience existential angst at supporting the EU, in the face of ECB prudential requirements for bailouts, because these occur when states and their citizens are finally forced to face the fundamental life lesson, that noone is owed a living, especially not out of other people's money.

 

Your article is written by one such, calling for more of this living beyond one's means at the expense of others. And you call those prudential strings the EU having a pro-austerity agenda? :lol:

 

Accessorily, you might want to look at where each of Portugal, Ireland and Greece (all 3 of them indeed) are socio-economically, after implementing these policies: a decade ahead of the UK, when you factor in the full-blown Brexit crisis (plus, but God forbid, the Corbynomics experiment on top of that) that has yet to play out on the UK's finances.

 

Because none of the parties contesting this GE strike me as being particularly capable of managing public finances well, and the Tories least of them all, after spaffing the wrong end of £70bn on Brexit-related measures and policies already, before it's even happened.

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31 minutes ago, L00b said:

Nice try. But I'm not seeing any evidence of the EU being pro-austerity there. Did you actually read and understand your link?

So huge public sector wage cuts, mass privatisations, cuts to public services (including healthcare, education and social care) combined with major tax rises are, in your view, NOT evidence of the EU being pro-austerity (to protect German bankers profits)?

 

I think most sensible, realistic people would agree that such extreme measures indicate an unbridled dedication to economic austerity at the expense of the weakest and most vulnerable in society. The Tories and Lib Dems could certainly learn a lot from the EU when it comes to imposing harsh austerity measures.

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16 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

So huge public sector wage cuts, mass privatisations, cuts to public services (including healthcare, education and social care) combined with major tax rises are, in your view, NOT evidence of the EU being pro-austerity (to protect German bankers profits)?

The public sector has had to find millions of extra money to meet its obligations in regard to pay the increased minimum wage. Or are you meaning wage cuts in the public sector to the employees higher up the pay scale?

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8 hours ago, janie48 said:

 

They need to be reminded how fortunate they are to be able to vote and reminded that others in some countries don't share the same privilege 

 

 

That's informative. 

I’m not sure what to think about the postal vote, I’ve been told that it is open to fraud. I wasn’t aware that you could vote online until I read tinfoilhat’s link and I don’t think I trust that method either.

 

I’m going to cast my vote the old fashioned way by going to the polling station on the day, putting my cross on a piece of paper then putting it in the box, come rain, snow or sunshine.

 

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9 hours ago, Pettytom said:

They absolutely do.

 

I’m not sure how many of them will bother to take advantage of it though.

 

Both of my kids have. It looks like I’m voting three times .

Vote early. Vote often. 

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