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3 hours ago, Janus said:

I was reading an  RAC forum yesterday. There was/or is a petition for the police to cease stopping vehicles on the hard shoulder. The suggestion being put forward was to escort them off the motorway before dealing with minor traffic violations.

 

It was not clear how the police would potentially communicate their request to the driver. Maybe it was felt that once stopped the police would simply tell the driver to leave the motorway at the next exit?

 

 

 

The police would pull in front of offending driver and put on their follow me sign in the rear window of patrol car 

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6 hours ago, Brooker11 said:

There are very few (if any) dual carriageways without lay bys and the volume of traffic is much less.

There are d/c's with lay-bys but no hard shoulder. 
Volume of traffic and traffic density on these roads less than motorways?

Try the on-ramps A38 around Ripley.
Try the A34 above Newbury on a good day.

Try negotiating the lay-bys hidden around a bend on A61 (“ last lay-by before M1”) or A1 northbound and north of Retford turn-off.   (You may be proving my oft-made training point that some/many drivers are fearful/wary of motorways but not of dual-carriageways because they underrate the level of hazard and risk on d/c's).

7 hours ago, Janus said:

I would have thought upstream of the vehicle. If an HGV hits the stationary vehicle,  it is likely that most of the wreckage/debris is going to be propelled in the direction of the momentum, I would guess.

Indeed, avoid being hit by the vehicle or any debris that comes off it on impact. 

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3 hours ago, DT Ralge said:

There are d/c's with lay-bys but no hard shoulder. 
Volume of traffic and traffic density on these roads less than motorways?

Try the on-ramps A38 around Ripley.
Try the A34 above Newbury on a good day.

Try negotiating the lay-bys hidden around a bend on A61 (“ last lay-by before M1”) or A1 northbound and north of Retford turn-off.   (You may be proving my oft-made training point that some/many drivers are fearful/wary of motorways but not of dual-carriageways because they underrate the level of hazard and risk on d/c's).

Indeed, avoid being hit by the vehicle or any debris that comes off it on impact. 

Ok so smart motorways are no more dangerous than dual carriageways, better ask them to scrap the review into them immediately.

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35 minutes ago, Brooker11 said:

Ok so smart motorways are no more dangerous than dual carriageways, better ask them to scrap the review into them immediately.

Nothing wrong with a review. Look at new data and assess how the current system can be improved. 

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9 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Nothing wrong with a review. Look at new data and assess how the current system can be improved. 

They also mentioned the suspension of creating anymore, that's a little bit more than just looking at improvements but dress it up how you will.

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17 hours ago, Brooker11 said:

Ok so smart motorways are no more dangerous than dual carriageways, better ask them to scrap the review into them immediately.

I’ve nothing against a review but let’s have it delving into facts and figures.

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Interesting to see that MP’s are now calling for these to be totally suspended after 5 deaths in 16 months between J30 and 35. The AA have also said they will not carry out roadside assistance on smart motorways.

 

Are the usual naysayers on here still for them?

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7 hours ago, Brooker11 said:

Interesting to see that MP’s are now calling for these to be totally suspended after 5 deaths in 16 months between J30 and 35. The AA have also said they will not carry out roadside assistance on smart motorways.

 

Are the usual naysayers on here still for them?

There are smart motorways and there are smart motorways. The M42 has lots of full-width gantries and is lit for large parts of it. Compare that to the unlit stretch between 31 and 28 with far less signage. 

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On 28/10/2019 at 11:49, Janus said:

I was reading an  RAC forum yesterday. There was/or is a petition for the police to cease stopping vehicles on the hard shoulder. The suggestion being put forward was to escort them off the motorway before dealing with minor traffic violations.

 

It was not clear how the police would potentially communicate their request to the driver. Maybe it was felt that once stopped the police would simply tell the driver to leave the motorway at the next exit?

 

 

 

I know someone who was actually lectured for trying to stop on the hard shoulder when they put on the sirens - the policeman explained it was dangerous and that they should never do that. He went on to explain they will know if we want you to pull over because we will be taking more direct action than driving behind you with a siren on. This was Thames police, and it may vary with the force as to what is done.

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On 23/01/2020 at 13:48, tinfoilhat said:

There are smart motorways and there are smart motorways. The M42 has lots of full-width gantries and is lit for large parts of it. Compare that to the unlit stretch between 31 and 28 with far less signage. 

From this report it would appear that the M42 where smart motorways were trialled has much higher standards than elsewhere.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/26/uks-smart-motorways-to-be-reviewed-after-increase-in-near-misses

 

That near misses on broken down vehicles have increased 20 fold on the M25 since the introduction of "smart motorways" is horrific.

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IF memory serves it's not got loads of signs on it. According to Panarama, 38 people have been killed on smart motorways in 5 years. I'd be keen on finding out where these fatalities happened and how many were killed in the same period on motorways with a hard shoulder. Half a story im afraid.

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My child had an awful accident whilst we were on a section of 'dumb motorway' with no hard shoulder.  We needed to pull over and attend to him immediately.  The other kids were screaming.  I was in an awful state and there was nowhere to pull in to attend to my son.  My partner felt compelled to drive to the next exit.  It was absolute hell.  We must bring the hard shoulder back for all sections of motorway.  It was an absolutely stupid idea in the first place.  If there's a petition anywhere, I'll sign.

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