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Looks like the smart motorway building is going to be reviewed in next few weeks due to people getting hurt / killed on them .should these motorways continue to be built ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50169527

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About time. Why does it take unnecessary deaths before a stupid idea some whiz kid came up with is seen for what it is? Hard shoulders are there for a reason.

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There’s nothing wrong with smart motorways, it is the intermittent use of the hard shoulder as a live lane at busy times that is the problem.

 

The hard shoulder is there for a reason.

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2 minutes ago, Jim Hardie said:

About time. Why does it take unnecessary deaths before a stupid idea some whiz kid came up with is seen for what it is? Hard shoulders are there for a reason.

Because the deaths of poor Northerners are an acceptable price to pay when a London-centric government expands a motorway on the cheap?

 

I know us Sheffielders like saving money, but deaths are too high a price to pay, even for a tight-arse skinflint like me

 

These deaths were expected, inevitable, and avoidable

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I drove to Folkestone last weekend.

 

In the huge roadworks near Milton Keynes, there were two broken down lorries in sections without hard shoulder. The delays caused were ridiculous. The two breakdowns added roughly 40 minutes to my journey.

 

Removing the hard shoulder is clearly dangerous. It also does little to improve journey times as every small incident has a disproportionate effect upon traffic flow.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pettytom said:

I drove to Folkestone last weekend.

 

In the huge roadworks near Milton Keynes, there were two broken down lorries in sections without hard shoulder. The delays caused were ridiculous. The two breakdowns added roughly 40 minutes to my journey.

 

Removing the hard shoulder is clearly dangerous. It also does little to improve journey times as every small incident has a disproportionate effect upon traffic flow.

 

 

Those roadworks take the mickey big style. 22 miles of roadworks and another 2 1/2 years still to go yet 

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It really depends on the stretch of motorway. I think the stretches that are hard shoulders first then a live lane depending on traffic are a better bet than a live lane that covers to a hard shoulder. The stretch north of luton has gantries stretching over 4 lanes that a very very frequent - they might even have proper street lighting (can't remember). That stretch from 30 to 29 has very sporadic LED signs and no street lighting.

 

I've happened across a vehicle on occasion and the nearest gantry hasn't warned me - and it hadn't just happened, as the occupants had already scampered halfway up the embankment. 

 

It's not a bad idea, just badly done.

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25 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Because the deaths of poor Northerners are an acceptable price to pay when a London-centric government expands a motorway on the cheap?

 

I know us Sheffielders like saving money, but deaths are too high a price to pay, even for a tight-arse skinflint like me

 

These deaths were expected, inevitable, and avoidable

Your my kinda guy Joker.

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After all the years of disruption on the M1 they've now decided it was a bad idea after all !

 

Nearly as wasteful as Boris Johnson for stupid ideas

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Has anybody got any data? Quite curious to see if accidents on the M1 stretch by Sheffield have indeed gone up or not. 

 

The reason I ask is this - in the Netherlands they changed the hard shoulder to 'rush hour' lanes and even though people kept claiming that it would increase accidents, a study over 5 years showed that it didn't, in fact, compared to 30 years ago there were fewer accidents, despite having twice as much traffic.

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I recall when the idea of using the hard shoulder was being proposed. The police were very much against it on safety grounds, and quite rightly so. The government still went ahead with it. 

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