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38 minutes ago, Halibut said:

A typically ridiculous and draconian response from a would be dictator with a very minimal understanding of human behaviour.

Would it not be better that everyone was subject to stop and search, regardless of age, race, religion etc etc, rather than just one person attacked/stabbed/raped ever?

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I think it would centrepin. I have no objection and nothing to hide. Might delay a person 5 minutes. Might save lives too.

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12 hours ago, Centrepin said:

Would it not be better that everyone was subject to stop and search, regardless of age, race, religion etc etc, rather than just one person attacked/stabbed/raped ever?

The only way that would be possible is if every single person was stopped and searched on a daily basis - or more often as they could pick up a knife after being searched. Can we stop and search every single pedestrian / car?

 

How are we going to pay for this?

 

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On 07/10/2019 at 08:22, Borista336 said:

its time to stop and search anyone that looks likely to be causing trouble and profile targeting of youths in all areas.

Some middle and older aged bikers are reputed to be violent. I say we stop and search anyone who looks like they might be a biker, or a biker’s friend.

On 08/10/2019 at 13:26, Resident said:

Something that isn't being reported is that the offender was in court 2 days prior to the attack on charges including threats to kill, robbery & possession of a bladed article. 

The offender also has a string of previous arrests/convictions for similar offences. 

 

Yet the judge saw fit to release him. 

This is the real problem.  We need the justice system to deal better with violent offenders.

 

We could also do with better rehabilitation facilities for young offenders. An investment there would really pay dividends 

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14 hours ago, Centrepin said:

Would it not be better that everyone was subject to stop and search, regardless of age, race, religion etc etc, rather than just one person attacked/stabbed/raped ever?

In short, no.

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Possession of a knife can carry a prison sentence of up to 4 years even if it's not used. Anyone know how many have actually been sentenced to 4 years?  My guess is none!

 

Be interesting to see the outcome of the court proceedings with regard to this crime.

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Judges can't just make up punishments, they have to follow sentencing guidelines.

 

For possession of a knife etc, the guidelines for magistrates can be read here:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/bladed-articles-and-offensive-weapons-possession/

 

Crown court:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/bladed-articles-and-offensive-weapons-possession/

 

The court first looks at culpability and harm in order to categorise the offence.

 

The court then locates the offence in a table, which provides a starting point - there are then mitigating or aggravating factors which can dial the punishment up or down.

 

Magistrates are limited in terms of how long a custodial sentence they can pass.   

 

There are statistics for sentencing in knife/offensive weapon cases.   The most recent seem to be for Jan-March this year:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/knife-and-offensive-weapon-sentencing-statistics-january-to-march-2019

 

That tells us that in that time period there were 22,041 cases.   Of these, 37% ended in an immediate custodial sentence (it was 22% in the same period in 2009).   The average sentence was 8.1 months, up from 5.5 months.

 

But no stats there about lengthy sentences.

 

But this parliamentary briefing has got some figures: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf

 

That says (p16) that before 2008 between 2-5% of offenders were sentenced to terms longer than a year.  Since then it's been 8% on average, reaching 16% last year and 2015.

 

So the regime has been getting less liberal, not more.

 

 

 

 

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