Court Ruling Goes Against Johnson

[L00b]

14 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Ha, if only I was wearing a hat.

 

Anyhow, the jist of my complaint, is that one party is allowed to get away with wrong doing, that another party isn't. I'm not making any kind of commentry on the validy of today's ruling, or on Brexit itself.

Wrong doing only becomes justiciable when there is a law against that wrong doing. It's been the way of the world since the year dot.

 

If Johnson didn't want the Courts involved, he shouldn't have broken the law. Simples.

 

Now I'm sure that he had reasons why he did not share his legal advice about prorogation with his own Cabinet, before going ahead with it. But then I'm equally sure that at least 1 of these reasons, is that the advice qualified that initiative as unlawful.

 

As for your complaint...if you want MPs to become justiciable for acting against implementing the outcome of a non-binding referendum, then I'd say you have your lobbying work cut out. You're going to have to get British sovereignty to vest in British subjects rather than Parliament, for starters, so that an instrument of direct democracy like a referendum becomes always binding on Parliament (like it does in Ireland). Good luck with that  

Edited September 24, 2019 by L00b

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7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It's a throwaway statement that lumps all Brexiteers together, and suggests they have no possible valid or legitimate points

I've been asking for 4 years, I haven't heard one yet.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, andyofborg said:

what has the other party done that's wrong?

As I see it Andy (and note, you said 'wrong' not 'illegal').

 

Some MP's (and indeed whole polical parties) are trying to subvert the will of the people, as expressed by the referendum.

[Top Cats Hat]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Ha, if only I was wearing a hat.

 

Anyhow, the jist of my complaint, is that one party is allowed to get away with wrong doing, that another party isn't. I'm not making any kind of commentry on the validy of today's ruling, or on Brexit itself.

What the hell is ‘wrong doing’?

 

Boris Johnson was found by the supreme court to have broken the law. Now you may not like the idea of MPs putting the interests of the country over those of their party, but it is not actually illegal.

 

If it were, I’m sure that Farage, Banks, Odey and all the other millionaire backers of the Brexit Project would be queuing up outside the High Court with their expensive lawyers in tow. 

[Mister M]

Well done to Gina Miller, a true British patriot. She deserves to be recognised for her efforts. 

Nigel Farage, who constantly rails against the establishment, is desperate for a knighthood, but won't get one. He can have a milkshake instead 

[L00b]

8 minutes ago, Waldo said:

As I see it Andy (and note, you said 'wrong' not 'illegal').

 

Some MP's (and indeed whole polical parties) are trying to subvert the will of the people, as expressed by the referendum.

There is no such thing as 'the will of the people' in British constitutional law [et bis repetita, it might eventually sink in].

 

So nothing to 'subvert': just popular advice, which Parliament is free in law to follow or ignore.

 

If you don't like it, lobby to change British constitutional law. Until and unless it is changed, deal with it.

Edited September 24, 2019 by L00b

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

What the hell is ‘wrong doing’?

 

Boris Johnson was found by the supreme court to have broken the law. Now you may not like the idea of MPs putting the interests of the country over those of their party, but it is not actually illegal.

 

If it were, I’m sure that Farage, Banks, Odey and all the other millionaire backers of the Brexit Project would be queuing up outside the High Court with their expensive lawyers in tow. 

Wrong doing, hmm, how can I best define if for you.

 

Okay. I would say, 'wrong doing' is action that is contrary to an individual's personal ethics or sense of right and wrong. It has nothing to do with our legal system or lawyers etc.

 

Hope that helps!

[andyofborg]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

As I see it Andy (and note, you said 'wrong' not 'illegal').

 

Some MP's (and indeed whole polical parties) are trying to subvert the will of the people, as expressed by the referendum.

sadly, the people weren't given the opportunity to indicate what their "will" was in regard to the future relationship with the EU was,   

 

ultimately, all of this mess is a result of this, Had there been an opportunity to investigate the  people's "will" in this regrad then this would have been over and done with after 6 months. 

[Waldo]

5 minutes ago, L00b said:

There is no such thing as 'the will of the people' in British constitutional law [et bis repetita, it might eventually sink in].

 

So nothing to 'subvert': just popular advice, which Parliament is free in law to follow or ignore.

 

If you don't like it, lobby to change British constitutional law. Until and unless it is changed, deal with it.

I accept your claim LOOb, that 'will of the people' does not exist as any kind of entity within law.

 

It's still very much a thing (in and of itself) though, and it is very much being subverted.

 

I don't like or dislike it, it is what it is. I hardly have the time and resources to go about changing these kind of things.

[Top Cats Hat]

6 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Nigel Farage, who constantly rails against the establishment, is desperate for a knighthood, but won't get one. He can have a milkshake instead 

Wasn’t Johnson supposed to make Farage ambassador to the US?

 

When Bozo was interviewed in New York yesterday he refused to rule out re-proroging Parliament if the Supreme Court went against him. I suspect that if he even tried that now, Parliament would just completely ignore him and continue sitting.