Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

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33 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

It was the Labour Party who prevented Theresa May's  and Sir Oliver Robbins deal with the EU going through Parliament on the third time of asking.  The majority of the Tory Party compromised while the majority of the Labour Party didn't compromise for mainly political reasons and support the deal.

 

The losers of the democratic EU referendum  need to accept the result and it needs to implemented for peace to be restored in our country.

Theresa May's deal didn't go through, because she failed to secure the backing of her working Parliamentary majority.

 

Her UK-wide (rather than NI-only) backstop-based deal was specifically amended to onboard the DUP's political wishes, and the EU granted that to her as a quite atypical largesse, for the sake of getting the thing over and done with. But then the ERG, after no deal from the get-go, found the backstop unpalatable and kept voting her deal down. If there hadn't been a backstop, they'd have found something else objectionable in the deal for voting it down.

 

Blaming the opposition in that context, is like a tradesman blaming his poor job on the competition 

 

The losers of the EU referendum is all of you, not just the 48%. That's why you're not going to see any peace whatsoever over the whole Brexit affair for a decade at least, no matter what happens in October or a couple years from now. Posted as much over 3 years ago, before the referendum was even run: that this would turn out to be this generation's miners' strike political upheaval, but writ far larger at the whole national scale.

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47 minutes ago, nightrider said:

hmm, having recently read the comments section on Sheffield Online's news story about the anti-brexit protest in Sheffield it seems there are lot of extremely angry people commenting they want brexit no matter what. They did not sound like people with a vested interest in gaining from brexit (though perhaps they mistakenly think they will).

indeed, just like quite a few of my old friends (from school etc) they are obsessed about us leaving, but like those on here, there is no actual plans, facts or even positives about leaving. Also they bang on about the working class, since its the working class that will be hit the hardest it just makes me shake my head in disbelief

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19 minutes ago, L00b said:

That's why you're not going to see any peace whatsoever over the whole Brexit affair for a decade at least, no matter what happens in October or a couple years from now. 

i dont think there ever will be now, the country is divided, parliament is divided, the media and the brextremist politicians like farage have done a brilliant job of dividing our country.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49645178

 

who needs an actual brexit border in NI to cause trouble and violence when just the mere talk of one could be enough?

Some analysts suggest dissident republicans may be trying to exploit publicity surrounding Brexit to advance their agenda.

 

The PSNI has noted a change of tempo in dissident republican activity in recent months.

Senior officers believe there is a greater determination to cause harm.

Perhaps dissident republicans are out to exploit publicity surrounding Brexit.

This year, there have been seven attacks, or planned attacks, in Northern Ireland which are known of.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, L00b said:

Theresa May's deal didn't go through, because she failed to secure the backing of her working Parliamentary majority.

 

Her UK-wide (rather than NI-only) backstop-based deal was specifically amended to onboard the DUP's political wishes, and the EU granted that to her as a quite atypical largesse, for the sake of getting the thing over and done with. But then the ERG, after no deal from the get-go, found the backstop unpalatable and kept voting her deal down. If there hadn't been a backstop, they'd have found something else objectionable in the deal for voting it down.

 

Blaming the opposition in that context, is like a tradesman blaming his poor job on the competition 

 

The losers of the EU referendum is all of you, not just the 48%. That's why you're not going to see any peace whatsoever over the whole Brexit affair for a decade at least, no matter what happens in October or a couple years from now. Posted as much over 3 years ago, before the referendum was even run: that this would turn out to be this generation's miners' strike political upheaval, but writ far larger at the whole national scale.

There are Labour MPs  who would have voted in support of Theresa May's and Sir Oliver Robbins deal with the EU rather than see our country leave the EU without a deal which is the legal default position.  Honest MPs  voted for the deal if they genuinely thought that was a better option than leaving the EU without a deal.  The Labour Party campaigned during the 2017 General Election with a manifesto stating they would implement the EU referendum result.  The majority of Labour MPs have behaved dishonestly during the Withdrawal Agreement  votes unlike nearly all the Tory MPs who voted for honest reasons rather than  with the aim of blocking Brexit.  Anna Soubry was one of the few dishonest  Tory MPs when those votes took place.  The soon to be retired Speaker also deserves  blame for preventing the democratic 2016 EU referendum vote from still not being implemented.

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12 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The soon to be retired Speaker also deserves  blame for preventing the democratic 2016 EU referendum vote from still not being implemented.

How on earth did he do that then?

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12 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

There are Labour MPs  who would have voted in support of Theresa May's and Sir Oliver Robbins deal with the EU rather than see our country leave the EU without a deal which is the legal default position.  Honest MPs  voted for the deal if they genuinely thought that was a better option than leaving the EU without a deal.  The Labour Party campaigned during the 2017 General Election with a manifesto stating they would implement the EU referendum result.  The majority of Labour MPs have behaved dishonestly during the Withdrawal Agreement  votes unlike nearly all the Tory MPs who voted for honest reasons rather than  with the aim of blocking Brexit.  Anna Soubry was one of the few dishonest  Tory MPs when those votes took place.  The soon to be retired Speaker also deserves  blame for preventing the democratic 2016 EU referendum vote from still not being implemented.

blame blame blame blame blame blame

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11 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

How on earth did he do that then?

Allowing votes to take place in Parliament  to  attempt to rule out a no-deal, which is the legal default position as a consequence of the MPs  overwhelmingly voting in favour to trigger Article 50 is one reason he deserves blame.  

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21 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

There are Labour MPs  who would have voted in support of Theresa May's and Sir Oliver Robbins deal with the EU rather than see our country leave the EU without a deal which is the legal default position.  Honest MPs  voted for the deal if they genuinely thought that was a better option than leaving the EU without a deal.  The Labour Party campaigned during the 2017 General Election with a manifesto stating they would implement the EU referendum result.  The majority of Labour MPs have behaved dishonestly during the Withdrawal Agreement  votes unlike nearly all the Tory MPs who voted for honest reasons rather than  with the aim of blocking Brexit.  Anna Soubry was one of the few dishonest  Tory MPs when those votes took place.  The soon to be retired Speaker also deserves  blame for preventing the democratic 2016 EU referendum vote from still not being implemented.

MPs are under no legal obligation whatsoever to vote with their party, with the opposition, or according to their constituents' wishes: they are representatives, not delegates.

 

This is exactly why majority MPs like Clark and Soubry have voted against the government, why opposition MPs like Hoey and Mann have voted for the government, and why MPs of either side have at times voted for, and at other times against, the government.

 

Bercow is one of the best Speakers the HoC has ever had through the ages, and a proven champion of Parlementarian democracy like few others.

 

As a self-appointed champion of democracy yourself, you would do well to at least try and understand the magnitude of his contributions of the past 10 years, rather than regurgitate nonsensical diatribe on a stick about him like a well-trained parrot devoid of the most basic faculties of critical thinking.

 

Unless, that is, you happen to be mistaking British democracy for a direct democracy, rather than the representative democracy that it is, and has at all times been for the last few centuries? In which case, I could only recommend a bit of education about British constitutional basics.

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6 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Allowing votes to take place in Parliament

The shame of it!

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6 minutes ago, ads36 said:

The shame of it!

I thought Leavers want to take back control. So when our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT exercised its rights, it is suddenly not right?

 

What are these Leavers on about?