Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Longcol 592]

2 minutes ago, apelike said:

You seem to forget that the UK can re-join the EU in the future if those future generations want to so nothing has been denied them. Now concentrate on those who actually run (if that is the correct word) the EU and see whether they are worth the salary they get as its those that run the gravy train that benefit most.

 

You need to come to terms with your bitterness to anything leave related as you seem to be overwhelmed by it.

Not having a major war starting in western Europe in the last 80 years has benefitted rather a large number of us 😎

[apelike 10]

20 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Not having a major war starting in western Europe in the last 80 years has benefitted rather a large number of us 😎

And in most of that time the EU as it is now didn't exist as it was just a trading organisation called the EEC, and what did exist was limited to the 10 nations that was in it when we joined in 1973! It's a big stretch of the imagination to make out that no major wars have taken place just because of the EU as NATO has played a major role in that peacekeeping.

 

Just look on wiki and you will see that although there has not been any major wars, wars and conflicts were still going on in Europe without the EU being able to do much to stop them.

 

 

[Longcol 592]

18 minutes ago, apelike said:

And in most of that time the EU as it is now didn't exist as it was just a trading organisation called the EEC, and what did exist was limited to the 10 nations that was in it when we joined in 1973! It's a big stretch of the imagination to make out that no major wars have taken place just because of the EU as NATO has played a major role in that peacekeeping.

 

Just look on wiki and you will see that although there has not been any major wars, wars and conflicts were still going on in Europe without the EU being able to do much to stop them.

 

 

Have a read about the forerunner to the EEC - the European Coal and Steel Community - founded 1951 - and its aims.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community

 

There was also a  conflict in the UK starting prior to us joining the EEC - remember?

[Litotes 63]

Farage is still a laughing stock within Europe and the UK.

 

His hypocrisy around hating his paymasters and the fact that his children have EU passports is monumental.

 

But you are missing the point - we have left, we have joined the third world by leaving and we don't have to concentrate on those that run the EU - we have to concentrate on those that run (abuse) the UK.

 

We have thrown away a huge benefit and taken on board a role model who is a self-confessed liar, racist, sexist cheat.

 

It was your choice, and as I have said before - live with your choice because every time you complain about life - I will be here to remind you, you made your own bed by voting for the suicide pact that was Brexit - the economy is already 20% down the pan since you cast you vote based on fake news and ignorance, not get ready for it to get worse...

 

Yes we can rejoin, but the terms will never be as good as the ones we threw away.

 

And also, because of YOUR choice the UK will not exist as it once did in 5 years time.

 

Are you proud of your choice?

Will your children regret your choice?

 

I know what I think.

[apelike 10]

2 hours ago, Longcol said:

Have a read about the forerunner to the EEC - the European Coal and Steel Community - founded 1951 - and its aims.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community

The aims of the six nations were clear as it states in that wiki piece, to stop another war between France and Germany ever happening again. However it is impossible to say whether their aims achieved that or whether it was just natural progression, as at the time it was just six nations and had nothing at all to do with the rest of Europe. It is also possible that the Russian presence in East Germany and the NATO presence in Germany and France contributed to that peace.The EU may have helped but was not just them.

 

2 hours ago, Longcol said:

There was also a  conflict in the UK starting prior to us joining the EEC - remember?

Depends on what conflict you are talking about.

 

The bottom line is it is not possible to say with any certainty that it was the EU that helped keep the peace especially when it had a weak membership and was not fully formed as it is today.

[apelike 10]

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

But you are missing the point - we have left, we have joined the third world by leaving and we don't have to concentrate on those that run the EU - we have to concentrate on those that run (abuse) the UK.

Pull the other one, we will have only joined the third world in your eyes.

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

We have thrown away a huge benefit and taken on board a role model who is a self-confessed liar, racist, sexist cheat.

We have thrown away nothing, after all democracy is about changing your mind and the people who voted did just that... 

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

It was your choice, and as I have said before - live with your choice because every time you complain about life - I will be here to remind you, you made your own bed by voting for the suicide pact that was Brexit - the economy is already 20% down the pan since you cast you vote based on fake news and ignorance, not get ready for it to get worse...

I will live with my choice and I don't complain about life, I leave that in the realms of the remainers! As for the rest of that you are talking rubbish and are just very bitter that the over educated were beaten to the post by the undereducated. To paraphrase what Bercow said, it was in the power of the remainers to stop brexit but they didn't get together because they all wanted to be PM.

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

Yes we can rejoin, but the terms will never be as good as the ones we threw away.

But that shouldn't matter in a socialist led organisation such as the EU, all members should be treated equal after all.

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

And also, because of YOUR choice the UK will not exist as it once did in 5 years time.

No it wont but that does not mean it will be worse.

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

Are you proud of your choice?

Yes. (has big grin on face)

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

Will your children regret your choice?

No as they were also old enough to vote and voted leave.

 

1 hour ago, Litotes said:

I know what I think.

I think all on here also know!

[L00b 441]

8 hours ago, Litotes said:

Farage is still a laughing stock within Europe and the UK.

 

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Between achieving his Brexiting aim (hence losing his MEP job), disenfranchising his BxP candidates and gifting Johnson the BxP votes at the GE19, Farage ended up de-platforming himself. Watch him fade away into media obscurity (...which he'll welcome, if he's got any sense of self-preservation).

6 hours ago, apelike said:

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But that shouldn't matter in a socialist led organisation such as the EU, all members should be treated equal after all.

 

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The EU is not 'socialist led'.

 

As a constitutional and political entity, it is 'led' by the European Council, i.e. the democratically-elected leaders of the EU member states. Collectively (equals indeed) they decide EU policies, the Commission then drafts legislation implementing these policies, the Parliament then debates these drafts and votes on them (and can also request draft legislation from the Commission itself).

 

Now, it's more boring and taxing to look up basic constitutional facts about the EU, than hearing and repeating tired old canards like 'the socialist EU' for effect, and of course it doesn't really help your anti-EU stance. But there you go.

Edited January 30, 2020 by L00b

[Car Boot 10]

10 hours ago, Litotes said:

Farage is still a laughing stock within Europe and the UK.

 

His hypocrisy around hating his paymasters and the fact that his children have EU passports is monumental.

 

But you are missing the point - we have left, we have joined the third world by leaving and we don't have to concentrate on those that run the EU - we have to concentrate on those that run (abuse) the UK.

 

We have thrown away a huge benefit and taken on board a role model who is a self-confessed liar, racist, sexist cheat.

 

It was your choice, and as I have said before - live with your choice because every time you complain about life - I will be here to remind you, you made your own bed by voting for the suicide pact that was Brexit - the economy is already 20% down the pan since you cast you vote based on fake news and ignorance, not get ready for it to get worse...

 

Yes we can rejoin, but the terms will never be as good as the ones we threw away.

 

And also, because of YOUR choice the UK will not exist as it once did in 5 years time.

 

Are you proud of your choice?

Will your children regret your choice?

 

I know what I think.

What's so good about the UK the way it is now that you want to keep it as it is?

 

I certainly hope that the UK doesn't exist as it does now in five years time. When I voted to Leave, I voted for CHANGE. 

 

Brexit is just the start.

 

I want to sweep away the UK of the privileged Remainers - people who are terrified of change. Weaken the pillar of capitalism, the EU. Give independence to Scotland and Ireland. Smash the BBC TV Licence fee and watch the Royal parasites fade into obscurity. 

 

I voted for change. Big change. It can't come soon enough.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Nigel Farage and his Brexit Party MEPs made me proud to be British.  Only one more sleep to go now until Britain officially leaves the EU and our big flag outside the EU Parliament is taken down. 

The rest of the EU parliament were polite and respectful they acted ****** up hooligans, waving about their tiny flags (made in China). If that what makes you proud to be British you must have a really low standard. 

[El Cid 210]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

Brexit is just the start.

 

I want to sweep away the UK of the privileged Remainers - people who are terrified of change. Weaken the pillar of capitalism, the EU. Give independence to Scotland and Ireland. Smash the BBC TV Licence fee and watch the Royal parasites fade into obscurity.  I voted for change. Big change. It can't come soon enough.

HS2 should be the start, but it looks like its going ahead. Scotland should get maximum devolution, but can you immage the negoiations over the border, immigration and our debt.

[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, Car Boot said:

What's so good about the UK the way it is now that you want to keep it as it is?

 

I certainly hope that the UK doesn't exist as it does now in five years time. When I voted to Leave, I voted for CHANGE. 

 

Brexit is just the start.

 

I want to sweep away the UK of the privileged Remainers - people who are terrified of change. Weaken the pillar of capitalism, the EU. Give independence to Scotland and Ireland. Smash the BBC TV Licence fee and watch the Royal parasites fade into obscurity. 

 

I voted for change. Big change. It can't come soon enough.

The UK has had 10 years of Conservative governance, just about each year proclaiming austerity to be at an end, and yet continuing in the background all the same.

 

Only  a few months ago when the GE19 campaign was getting underway, Sajid Javid promised -again- that there would be no cuts. Then the Conservatives swept up.

 

 Can you guess what happened today? The figure you're looking for, is 5%.

 

Now, it might be in bad taste to recall that famous definition of insanity, which involves people who expect things to change indeed (and I assume that you didn't vote Conservatives, so this isn't meant as an insult).

 

Edit - today's update about (previously- and long-predicted) consequences of Brexit, courtesy of HMG: https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021. Essential reading if you're planning a trip on the Continent from 2021 onwards.

Edited January 30, 2020 by L00b

[L00b 441]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

Nigel Farage and his Brexit Party MEPs made me proud to be British.  Only one more sleep to go now until Britain officially leaves the EU and our big flag outside the EU Parliament is taken down. 

June Mummery made you proud to be British? Really?