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40 minutes ago, RJRB said:

It will be interesting to see how your diatribes develop in the coming months as a right wing government implements your Brexit.

It must be rather conflicting for you.

I think we can see who is going to benefit from the Tory victory and it ain't the workers.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory

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Commentators are predicting a softer Brexit now Boris doesn’t have to cow tow to the ERG or the DUP

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4 hours ago, catmiss said:

Commentators are predicting a softer Brexit now Boris doesn’t have to cow tow to the ERG or the DUP

That is very true. I am expecting the Leavers to claim that Brexit isn’t Brexit. 

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6 hours ago, catmiss said:

Commentators are predicting a softer Brexit now Boris doesn’t have to cow tow to the ERG or the DUP

Sir Ivan Rogers isn't. And he hasn't been wrong yet.

 

I expect the fisheries aspect of the FTA to become the core political issue (it's not an economic one for the UK, given the figures involved).

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On ‎13‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 21:36, Sidonica said:

I would have hoped that no-one  could sink that low, not everyone on Universal credit is undeserving.

In the nineteenth century that the Tories are taking us back to, there was at least a distinction between "deserving" and "undeserving" poor.  For today's Tories all poor people are "undeserving".

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7 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

That is very true. I am expecting the Leavers to claim that Brexit isn’t Brexit. 

Seems Boris has promised everything to everyone.

 

A hard brexit to the older voters, whilst promising to fully maintain supply lines to those whose jobs depend on full integration with the EU. In 6 months one or the other group is going to very angry. Though not much they can do, given the mandate they gave him for the next 5 years.

 

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5 hours ago, L00b said:

Sir Ivan Rogers isn't. And he hasn't been wrong yet.

 

I expect the fisheries aspect of the FTA to become the core political issue (it's not an economic one for the UK, given the figures involved).

You could be right there, it's not hard to wonder why. In 1970 Grimsby was perhaps the largest fishing port in the world; it started its decline due to the dispute with Iceland,  then more rapidly when Ted Heath gave away the exclusive rights to our fishing grounds (EEZ) to the Common Fisheries Policy.

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1 hour ago, carosio said:

You could be right there, it's not hard to wonder why. In 1970 Grimsby was perhaps the largest fishing port in the world; it started its decline due to the dispute with Iceland,  then more rapidly when Ted Heath gave away the exclusive rights to our fishing grounds (EEZ) to the Common Fisheries Policy.

You forgot the part where UK fishermen sold their quota allocations[1] to EU companies rather than support their communities by selling them to their neighbours. That's the reason I have little sympathy for fishing communities moaning about the EU.

 

[1] Under UK law, quota is allocated to a boat, sell the boat and the quota goes with it. The other EU counties didn't implement such a brain dead system.

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1 hour ago, altus said:

You forgot the part where UK fishermen sold their quota allocations[1] to EU companies rather than support their communities by selling them to their neighbours. That's the reason I have little sympathy for fishing communities moaning about the EU.

 

[1] Under UK law, quota is allocated to a boat, sell the boat and the quota goes with it. The other EU counties didn't implement such a brain dead system.

Yes, and it appears that Spain (and others) has bought 90% of Welsh quotas, quotas which are decided in Brussels.

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19 minutes ago, carosio said:

Yes, and it appears that Spain (and others) has bought 90% of Welsh quotas, quotas which are decided in Brussels.

Yes, my point was that on top of quotas agreed with the EU, we had greedy fishermen selling the quota allocated to them outside their communities with permission of a government that could have stopped them if it had chosen to do so (like other EU countries do). If they'd been allocated more quota, they'd have still sold it to the same people - to the detriment of their communities.

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The issue of UK EU membership is DEAD for at least 20 years. 

 

We are OUT.

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