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1 hour ago, Albert the Cat said:

It has been stated before that another referendum should be used to get through the deadlock. This was started by the people, it should be finished by the people. 

Can I remind you of post #3455 quote:

 

"Edit: forgot to mention, yes you do not understand democracy when you continuously bang on about the MPs not carrying out the “will of the people”. MPs do not have to, there is no such mandate, the “will of the people” is not delegated to them to implement."

 

Just to add:  It was not started by the people but by parliament and its up to them to decide if we have another referendum and not the people.

 

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Sort out a Brexit withdrawal  first either through Parliament or if that remains deadlocked by a second referendum.

General election to follow either by consensus or at the end of term.

Don’t let Boris the hapless bulldozer and driver Dominic  continue to wreck the country.

There are many fronts to fight in a GE,and to allow it to be virtually a single issue vote is no benefit to anyone.

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25 minutes ago, apelike said:

I think you will find  him stating it is still narrow and around remain 52%-48% leave

That is when you simply ask people ‘How would you vote in another EU referendum?’
 

The point Curtice was making was that if you factor in the increased likelihood of ‘non-2016 voting Remainers choosing to vote this time round, and disillusioned 2016 Leave voters boycotting another vote, this would skew the result further towards Remain. He said that these things were difficult to quantify but could end up with a Remain vote of 65-70%.

 

That high a Remain vote, combined with the mess the 2016 vote left us in, would certainly kill off any talk of leaving for a generation if not forever.

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7 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The point Curtice was making was that if you factor in the increased likelihood of ‘non-2016 voting Remainers choosing to vote this time round, and disillusioned 2016 Leave voters boycotting another vote, this would skew the result further towards Remain. He said that these things were difficult to quantify but could end up with a Remain vote of 65-70%.

Strange I can't find any details of him saying that, can you supply a link?

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14 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Sort out a Brexit withdrawal  first either through Parliament or if that remains deadlocked by a second referendum.

General election to follow either by consensus or at the end of term.

Don’t let Boris the hapless bulldozer and driver Dominic  continue to wreck the country.

There are many fronts to fight in a GE,and to allow it to be virtually a single issue vote is no benefit to anyone.

The truth is that the current Parliament are only interested in blocking Brexit.   The Withdrawal Agreement is a treaty and can't be amended or altered by Parliament because agreement has been reached jointly between the EU and the UK Government.  The reason why the opposition parties don't want a General Election is because the likelihood is after a General Election they would no longer be able  to block the implementation of the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.  It's the rogue dishonest Parliament who continue to wreck our country and not Boris.

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33 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

They don’t, you know. They help, but that’s about it

 

Any chance of you conversing without all the “That is hilarious “ or “You’ve lost  the plot” stuff.  It is a bit juvenile 

It will switch back to shameful.

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31 minutes ago, apelike said:

Strange I can't find any details of him saying that, can you supply a link?

It was either Newsnight or Politics Live https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer or Channel Four News https://www.channel4.com/programmes/categories/news-current-affairs-and-politics

 

It was about six or seven months ago.

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George Galloway on Twitter:

 

"To Leave the EU may be a judgement call but to uphold democracy is not and transcends all other issues. It is profoundly dangerous to tell 17.4 million people their vote can be ignored even annulled because the elite don’t accept the result. Without democracy we have nothing."

 

The EU didn't protect us from Thatcher and the Poll Tax. 

 

Let's get Brexit done then we can all sit down with a nice cuppa

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

George Galloway on Twitter:

 

"To Leave the EU may be a judgement call but to uphold democracy is not and transcends all other issues. It is profoundly dangerous to tell 17.4 million people their vote can be ignored even annulled because the elite don’t accept the result. Without democracy we have nothing."

 

The EU didn't protect us from Thatcher and the Poll Tax. 

 

Let's get Brexit done then we can all sit down with a nice cuppa

 

 

Again with "elite" nonsense. 

 

Are you really telling us Boris Alexander DePiffle Johnson and his ilk are not part of an elite? Honest sons of the soil are they?

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15 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

George Galloway on Twitter:

 

"To Leave the EU may be a judgement call but to uphold democracy is not and transcends all other issues. It is profoundly dangerous to tell 17.4 million people their vote can be ignored even annulled because the elite don’t accept the result. Without democracy we have nothing."

George Galloway talking about upholding democracy is like Gary Glitter talking about child protection 😱

 

17 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The EU didn't protect us from Thatcher and the Poll Tax. 

When was it the EU’s job to protect us from elected governments? And we protected ourselves from the Poll Tax (well those on the left did).

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20 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

George Galloway on Twitter:

 

"To Leave the EU may be a judgement call but to uphold democracy is not and transcends all other issues. It is profoundly dangerous to tell 17.4 million people their vote can be ignored even annulled because the elite don’t accept the result. Without democracy we have nothing."

 

The EU didn't protect us from Thatcher and the Poll Tax. 

 

Let's get Brexit done then we can all sit down with a nice cuppa

 

 

Not if the bailiffs have taken the kettle as well as the furniture we can't!

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

When was it the EU’s job to protect us from elected governments? 

Whilst an EU member state, whenever elected governments threatened to skew trade-related (i.e. employment, competition, public subsidies and other socio-economic topics) domestic legislation towards the Victorian, exploitative end of the spectrum, contrarily to the somewhat more responsible (seen as socialistic)  common rule book agreed with the other 27 in the room..."whilst an EU member state", being the operative condition here (notwithstanding Mr CarBoot 's usual haranguing) ;) 

 

The ECJ specifically is tasked with that protecting (opining as it does, on the compatibility between the domestic transposition of that common rule book, plus assorted other bits of domestic legislation to which it is relevant, and that common rule book; and then ruling when it is, and not).

 

On the 2nd referendum, it should be easy enough to get meaningful votes with a clear(er) majority, so long as the question and choices are carefully chosen for comprehension by the widest possible section of the electorate.

 

In view of the strong preference presented by posters so far, that 'remain' should not be a choice at all, my proposal is therefore:

 

We want to shoot ourselves-

-in the head

-in both feet

 

(advantageously for HoC debates, motions and votes, note the modularity of my proposal, in which 'remain' can be retrofitted very easily, as a first question preceding the above: we want to shoot ourselves / we don't want to shoot ourselves)

 

Vote now! :D

 

Edited by L00b

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