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Mod Note: As we are getting rather tired of seeing reports about this. The use of the word Remoaners  is to cease. Either posts like adults, or don't post at all. The mod warnings have been clear.

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In addition to remoaner we are also not going to allow the use of libdums or liebore - if you cannot behave like adults and post without recourse to these childish insults then please refrain from posting. If you have a problem with this then you all know where the helpdesk is. 

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26 minutes ago, apelike said:

I think you are getting confused. If A50 gets revoked and we have another referendum then it would obviously include remain as an option again. If A50 is not revoked and a supplementary confirmatory referendum is held it should then be on whether we leave with a proposed deal or leave without a deal. The first referendum has already shown up the fact that the majority that took part in it had already voted by a majority to leave and its how we leave that is at stake now. We keep being told by remainers that a deal or no deal was never mentioned before so it's logical to have any further additional or confirmatory referendum based on just that. But, I have to remind you that it's not up to the public but parliament and as they have already shown they are not keen on revoking A50 and having another referendum that would be the best option and path to go down.

Leaving without a deal is not an option, I have been saying this on the consequence threads forever, so you Brexiteers need to get that into you're systems. That's why we are still in after three and a half years. No deal = not an option, suck it up. Any future referendum can only be the deal we have already as members, or a worse deal. They are the only options, one day you will realise this.

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3 hours ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Read the first line of your post without looking for others of a similar ilk.  What are you intimating if not Court action against the PM.

 

Angel1.

Hi Angel1. 😀 Remind me please, of when Turkey are joining the EU and 40 million immigrants are going to pile over here? Remember that fake news that helped leave win? Oh and wish your wife good look from me when she leaves the UK.

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1 hour ago, Dardandec said:

Leaving without a deal is not an option, I have been saying this on the consequence threads forever, so you Brexiteers need to get that into you're systems. That's why we are still in after three and a half years. No deal = not an option, suck it up.

Sorry to disappoint you but a no deal even after all this time is still the default legal position unless something happens between now and the end of any extension that may be granted. The only way it would not happen is if a deal is accepted or A50 is revoked by parliament before any extension deadline.

 

So no deal = one of the options available. Mabe take some time to read about how it all works as you seem to be struggling with the concept.

 

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1 hour ago, Dardandec said:

Any future referendum can only be the deal we have already as members, or a worse deal. 

Not true... We can have a referendum on re-joining anytime we want after we leave, if parliament decides to hold another.

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6 hours ago, apelike said:

Sorry to disappoint you but a no deal even after all this time is still the default legal position unless something happens between now and the end of any extension that may be granted. The only way it would not happen is if a deal is accepted or A50 is revoked by parliament before any extension deadline.

 

So no deal = one of the options available. Mabe take some time to read about how it all works as you seem to be struggling with the concept.

 

You have no grasp of the political reality whatsoever. It has been demonstrated REPEATEDLY that there is no majority in Parliament for no deal. The extension of A50 THREE times and the Benn Act are examples of how no deal isn’t anywhere near realistic.  So no deal is the legal default, how is that working out for you?
 

So if an amendment was tabled, do you really think no deal will be an option?

 

Johnson is no attempting to ram through his deal in three days through Parliament. The previous deal took three months. Think there will be sufficient scrutiny on this deal in three days?

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14 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

To the ones in need of education. See “Padfield”. 

The Government legal advisers to Boris won't need educating about Padfield.

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1 hour ago, Albert the Cat said:

You have no grasp of the political reality whatsoever. It has been demonstrated REPEATEDLY that there is no majority in Parliament for no deal. The extension of A50 THREE times and the Benn Act are examples of how no deal isn’t anywhere near realistic.  So no deal is the legal default, how is that working out for you?
 

So if an amendment was tabled, do you really think no deal will be an option?

 

Johnson is no attempting to ram through his deal in three days through Parliament. The previous deal took three months. Think there will be sufficient scrutiny on this deal in three days?

They have had over three years to debate the issue and no amount of extra time will change the minds of the MPs who don't respect the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.  Those MPs will never support any deal to leave the EU. 

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13 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Only the affluent middle class, the rich and the wealthy establishment want us to keep our membership.

Sure, the 1.5m BritinEU all sound very affluent middle class, rich and wealthy establishment:

 

Representative sample

 

The 'champions of the people' pushing the hardest of Brexits have thrown their own citizens living across the EU27 under the Brexit bus, and they are coming for you next: the writing is all over the wall of Johnson's deal edits relative to May's deal. 

 

Don't expect any sympathy from them, when Brexit starts to bite at home for real. None whatsoever.

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6 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

They have had over three years to debate the issue a

they're not debating 'the issue', they're debating this bill.

 

the details of which are important, the details of which they've had for about 5 minutes.

 

i suspect it'll pass. giving nervous MP's the chance to say they voted for it, before it falls over at the next hurdle...

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24 minutes ago, ads36 said:

they're not debating 'the issue', they're debating this bill.

 

the details of which are important, the details of which they've had for about 5 minutes.

 

i suspect it'll pass. giving nervous MP's the chance to say they voted for it, before it falls over at the next hurdle...

Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party made it clear he was going to vote against the new Withdrawal Agreement before the details were announced and confirmation by the EU that an agreement had been made .   The dishonest MPs with the help of the speaker, who still seek to block the implementation of the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result have turned Parliament into a pantomime. 

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30 minutes ago, ads36 said:

they're not debating 'the issue', they're debating this bill.

 

the details of which are important, the details of which they've had for about 5 minutes.

 

i suspect it'll pass. giving nervous MP's the chance to say they voted for it, before it falls over at the next hurdle...

I agree, as the Letwin amendment requires it to pass all processes before it is given final approval. 

44 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The Government legal advisers to Boris won't need educating about Padfield.

I wouldn’t  be so sure, they have lost at the Supreme Court by following advice from his advisors. 

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29 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party made it clear he was going to vote against the new Withdrawal Agreement before the details were announced and confirmation by the EU that an agreement had been made .   The dishonest MPs with the help of the speaker, who still seek to block the implementation of the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result have turned Parliament into a pantomime. 

Beg to differ, 'pantomime' has been the state of British politics since around February 2016 at least. Without going all the way back then,  at nearly 2 years old now:

:any correspondence between points raised in the above, and Brexit sub-topics that are currently of burning interest to panto villains and goodies in no.10 and the HoC, is entirely fortuitous of course ;)

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