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Mod Note: As we are getting rather tired of seeing reports about this. The use of the word Remoaners  is to cease. Either posts like adults, or don't post at all. The mod warnings have been clear.

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In addition to remoaner we are also not going to allow the use of libdums or liebore - if you cannot behave like adults and post without recourse to these childish insults then please refrain from posting. If you have a problem with this then you all know where the helpdesk is. 

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6 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

As usual, you fail to address the substantive point.

 

As a democrat, do you support the actions of our democratically elected parliament?

The only substantive point is both you and I voted to Remain in the EU, but unlike you I respect democracy and support those who are attempting to implement the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.  

 

Yes, I supported the actions of our democratically elected Parliament who voted overwhelmingly to hold the 2016 EU Referendum and then overwhelmingly voted to trigger Article 50.  I don't support our democratically elected Parliament when they backslide and attempt to cheat 17.4 million of their own people out of their democratic wish to leave the EU. No honest person who respects democracy could respect how Parliament has behaved since the democratic 2016 EU Referendum vote.

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33 minutes ago, L00b said:

You may be referring to a legal opinion based on these (High Court) findings.

 

I do not recall whether that opinion was expressed by Maugham or not. But if it was, I'd take it to the bank: it's him (and the GLP) who have achieved the biggest legal wins against the government in the recent months.

No that is a different matter.

 

In that article Maugham wrongly concludes (to cut it short)  "....The consequence is that the commission unlawfully tilted the playing field." But in the court proceedings of Feb 2019 where Jessica Simor QC put forward the same arguments the judges threw out all 3 of hers and also stated "“there is simply no evidential basis for the proposition that the breaches, or any of them, are material in the sense that, had they not occurred, the result of the referendum would have been different.”

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On 19/10/2019 at 18:57, Litotes said:

No. There was a march by people of all ethnicities, social classes, and religions who wished to protest against the way the Stalinist government of the lying, cheating, sexist, racist, PM, Boris Johnson, has withheld their democratic right to have a say in the negotiated future of the United Kingdom.

The images of the People's Vote March on Saturday 19 October 2019 reveal less diversity among those attending than is present on an average Tommy Robinson March. 

 

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It was a march of privilege against democracy.

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2 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

Of course you have the right to change your mind but you’re argument would deny my and others rights to have our votes implemented from the 2016 referendum.

Your vote in 2016 wasn’t to implement anything, it was simply to voice an opinion on the matter. It is up to Parliament to either remain in the EU, leave the EU or if leave, to decide what form that would take,

 

1 hour ago, apelike said:

I think if there is to be a run-off then it should be deal or no-deal as remain was already a part of the first referendum question and shouldn't be used again.

 

Don’t be so ridiculous!

 

How on earth would you decide who had voted what in the first referendum? 🙄

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11 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The images of the People's Votes March on Saturday 19 October 2019 reveal less diversity among those attending than is present on an average Tommy Robinson March. 

 

?image=6181748

 

It was a march of privilege against democracy.

Obviously this crowd are the landed gentry,big business owners and directors and bankers.

Probably a few corrupt EU commissioners swelling the numbers as well.!

Come the revolution they will wish this photo didn’t exist😁

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30 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

The EU have stated they received the letter, and it is fine, signed or not.

 

Angel1.

I thought you didn’t like the EU having control of our laws.

 

I think a UK court will decide whether Johnson is in contempt or not.

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22 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Don’t be so ridiculous!

 

How on earth would you decide who had voted what in the first referendum? 🙄

Why would you need to do that?

 

The vote of leave in the first referendum is still valid until it is revoked. What was proposed by the op was that we had a run-off in addition to that one. Any vote should now be about how we leave, with a deal or leave without a deal.

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1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

A true democrat wouldn’t pick and choose the bits of democracy that they supported.

 

It is a bit hypocritical to claim to respect democracy and then to complain about the conduct of our democratically elected parliament.

EXACTLY, well done have a gold star, Lockdoctor, to the back of the class please

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31 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The only substantive point is both you and I voted to Remain in the EU, but unlike you I respect democracy and support those who are attempting to implement the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.  

 

Yes, I supported the actions of our democratically elected Parliament who voted overwhelmingly to hold the 2016 EU Referendum and then overwhelmingly voted to trigger Article 50.  I don't support our democratically elected Parliament when they backslide and attempt to cheat 17.4 million of their own people out of their democratic wish to leave the EU. No honest person who respects democracy could respect how Parliament has behaved since the democratic 2016 EU Referendum vote.

Thank you.

 

That clears things up nicely.

 

Please don’t claim to be a democrat again, as you clearly are not one.

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19 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

 

Don’t be so ridiculoous!

 

How on earth would you decide who had voted what in the first referendum? 🙄

You're the one who is being ridiculous because it is a historic fact that Leave won the 2016 democratic EU Referendum vote.  Another referendum vote with the new Withdrawal Agreement on offer on the ballot paper and No-Deal  would most certainly end up with a victory for the new Withdrawal Agreement on offer because that is a compromise option for Remain voters.

 

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Thank you.

 

That clears things up nicely.

 

Please don’t claim to be a democrat again, as you clearly are not one.

Who made you a forum moderator?  I will continue to respect democracy.

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3 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

 

 

Who made you a forum moderator?  I will continue to respect democracy.

Nothing to do with being a moderator. I’m just asking you to desist from claiming to be something that you clearly are not.

 

Carry on, if you wish. But just saying that you are something, doesn’t make it true. 

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11 minutes ago, apelike said:

Why would you need to do that?

To decide who was eligible to vote of course! 🙄

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