Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Car Boot 10]

10 hours ago, Litotes said:

When you actually look at the data sets used, they are so minimalist that they would not stand up to any statistical scrutiny;

https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Daily-Express-Snap-Political-Poll-Oct-2019-v1.pdf

 

This is like me asking my mates what they voted for and then publishing it as fact - which of course it would be.

 

In my opinion, the figures do not reflect in any way the regional bias (c.f. the Scottish vote).

 

P.S. Still waiting for any evidence that Brexit will benefit the EU...

P.P.S. Been waiting for over 3 years

So can anyone prove that he sent the letter?

Yes, he has received a letter - which is apparently unsigned.

Does this mean that if you or I sent a letter with Boris' name at the bottom, it would be taken as originated from him, without proof i.e. signature?

 

Boris is mocking the parliamentary process of the UK, and by doing so mocking the electorate of the UK.

 

He should be jailed for this action.

The poll I linked to in my post was the 'ITN BREXIT REFERENDUM POLL OCTOBER 2019'. The biggest Poll on Brexit since the referendum. ComRes surveyed 26,000 British adults across the UK on 2nd – 14th October 2019.

 

The poll you linked to was the entirely different 'Daily Express – Snap Political Poll – October 2019'. ComRes surveyed 1,016 British adults on 17th October 2019. 

 

Its these details that Remainers just can't seem to grasp, hence your confusion and complete lack of comprehension.

 

 

[Car Boot 10]

23 hours ago, davyboy said:

OH,  WHEN IS THIS FARCE GOING TO END?

Only when we respect the democratic outcome of the June 2016 People's Vote and Leave the EU big business cartel.

[Car Boot 10]

On 18/10/2019 at 16:11, Lockdoctor said:

John Mann stated the the issue of workers rights and environmental  protection is a red herring because Parliament can give the UK workers better workers rights and have more environmental protection after our country leave the EU.

The majority of our rights have come from sovereign British governments, not the EU.

 

The EU's fundamental rights are all about the market.  Let's not forget that the EU and the USA were trying to negotiate the TTIP treaty because the World Trade Organisation rules aren't neoliberal enough for them.  That is the true face of the EU.

 

The EU is a political construction whose constitution embodies the freedom of capital and capitalists to allow outsourcing and privatisation of member states national industries and services. Successive European kangaroo Court of Justice  judgements have made it perfectly clear that the rights to free movement – of goods, labour, services and capital – come before any other rights.

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, Lex Luthor said:

🤣. Nice try, but no cigar.

Well, that's convincing   

 

 

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John Mann was on tv earlier and 70% of his constituents voted to leave and it’s hardly changed so he won’t have any trouble with them.

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70% of his constituents, you say?

 

I have to ask, because 43k leave votes against 20k remain votes on a 74.8% turnout rate, does not 70% of the constituency  make.

 

More like 50% (with remain representing 24%, for the completists).

Here's the 2016 ref voting figures for Bassetlaw, John Mann's constituency. Have at it. Or feel free to retract. Either makes no difference, you've shown yourself up already, by doubling down.

Edited October 21, 2019 by L00b

[L00b 441]

Only when we respect the democratic outcome of the June 2016 People's Vote and Leave the EU big business cartel.

Thanks to your successive champions of democracy tanking your currency, the EU big business cartel is paying its seasonal farm hands much more than the UK kholkozes  this autumn, so they're not coming and now there's 16m apples that badly need picking in British orchards

Edited October 21, 2019 by L00b

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

25 minutes ago, L00b said:

Well, that's convincing   

 

 

Here's the 2016 ref voting figures for Bassetlaw, John Mann's constituency. Have at it. Or feel free to retract. Either makes no difference, you've shown yourself up already, by doubling down.

John Mann, Bassetlaw voted 67.8 to leave the corrupt EU.

 

Angel1

Edited October 21, 2019 by ANGELFIRE1

[Lockdoctor 10]

38 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The majority of our rights have come from sovereign British governments, not the EU.

 

The EU's fundamental rights are all about the market.  Let's not forget that the EU and the USA were trying to negotiate the TTIP treaty because the World Trade Organisation rules aren't neoliberal enough for them.  That is the true face of the EU.

 

The EU is a political construction whose constitution embodies the freedom of capital and capitalists to allow outsourcing and privatisation of member states national industries and services. Successive European kangaroo Court of Justice  judgements have made it perfectly clear that the rights to free movement – of goods, labour, services and capital – come before any other rights.

It has been pointed out the average amount of paid holiday EU workers get a year is 4 weeks and the average amount of paid holiday UK workers get is just over 5 weeks.  We shouldn't need the EU to tell our country how to treat our own workers.

 

33 minutes ago, L00b said:

Well, that's convincing   

 

 

Here's the 2016 ref voting figures for Bassetlaw, John Mann's constituency. Have at it. Or feel free to retract. Either makes no difference, you've shown yourself up already, by doubling down.

You're arguing with yourself again because everyone already knew Bassetlaw voted 70% to Leave and 30% to Remain.  They only counted the votes of constituents who voted just like everywhere else in the UK.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[ads36 217]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

The EU's fundamental rights are all about the market.  Let's not forget that the EU and the USA were trying to negotiate the TTIP treaty because the World Trade Organisation rules aren't neoliberal enough for them.  That is the true face of the EU.

The EU was never going to sign TTIP.

 

the USA wanted TTIP, the EU said they'd never agree to it but would listen politely.

 

it's our (conservative) government that wanted in.

 

effectively, the EU protected us from TTIP, it was widely hated, it was never going to get signed by the EU.

 

if we leave, watch out for TTIP2....

 

29 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

It has been pointed out the average amount of paid holiday EU workers get a year is 4 weeks and the average amount of paid holiday UK workers get is just over 5 weeks.  We shouldn't need the EU to tell our country how to treat our own workers.

most countries in Europe get roughly 1 week more in public holidays.

 

so it all adds up to more or less the same, but it's UK workers that have fewer holidays enshrined in law.

Edited October 21, 2019 by ads36

[L00b 441]

39 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

John Mann, Bassetlaw voted 67.8 to leave the corrupt EU.

 

31 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You're arguing with yourself again because everyone already knew Bassetlaw voted 70% to Leave and 30% to Remain.  They only counted the votes of constituents who voted just like everywhere else in the UK.

Brexit, in two posts : when posters put their faith in beliefs (or headlines, same difference) rather than basic arithmetic 

 

You'll be please to read that's my last on this parenthesis: it's clearly pointless linking you to facts (official voting figures and turnout rate) and pointing out that they do not correlate with your '70%' beliefs when, according to you, it's always going to be "untrue because reasons" anyway.

 

Much happier to let Darwin eventually do his thing 

 

Now then, about picking those 16m apples, are any of you Leave voters, who caused this shortfall of seasonal EU workers, ready and willing to help your fellow Leave-voting farmers? Or will it be cause for Leave-voting retirees to call for their fellow Leave-voting unemployed to go earn their benefits in orchards?

[hobinfoot 25]

12 hours ago, Litotes said:

When you actually look at the data sets used, they are so minimalist that they would not stand up to any statistical scrutiny;

https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Daily-Express-Snap-Political-Poll-Oct-2019-v1.pdf

 

This is like me asking my mates what they voted for and then publishing it as fact - which of course it would be.

 

In my opinion, the figures do not reflect in any way the regional bias (c.f. the Scottish vote).

 

P.S. Still waiting for any evidence that Brexit will benefit the EU...

P.P.S. Been waiting for over 3 years

So can anyone prove that he sent the letter?

Yes, he has received a letter - which is apparently unsigned.

Does this mean that if you or I sent a letter with Boris' name at the bottom, it would be taken as originated from him, without proof i.e. signature?

 

Boris is mocking the parliamentary process of the UK, and by doing so mocking the electorate of the UK.

 

He should be jailed for this action.

How can you jail someone for obeying the law ? The Benn act obliged him to send a letter requesting an extension he has complied

 

[Lockdoctor 10]

37 minutes ago, ads36 said:

 

most countries in Europe get roughly 1 week more in public holidays.

 

so it all adds up to more or less the same, but it's UK workers that have fewer holidays enshrined in law.

It will be the responsibility of our own Parliament to decide whatever future legislation is necessary to protect our own workers and environment.   We have General Elections to decide which Party or Parties decide what is enshrined in law.  

[Lockdoctor 10]

5 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

How can you jail someone for obeying the law ? The Benn act obliged him to send a letter requesting an extension he has complied

 

The whole legal argument is ludicrous. The letter has been acted upon and the EU leaders will be considering whether to grant an extension.  They can't send Boris the Prime Minister of our country to jail for expressing an opinion that an extension is not in our country's interest or the EU's interest.