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[Car Boot 10]

23 hours ago, Longcol said:

Nice bit of dog whistle anti-semitism there "comrade".

You believe that criticising bankers who funded the Remain campaign is "anti-semitism"?

 

Brexit was a democratic revolt against the rich.

 

10 hours ago, the_bloke said:

BBC news reporting that over 2.7 million EU people have applied for settled status so far.

 

Wasn't the consensus of the armchair experts that people would be leaving en masse?

EU citizens would much prefer to live in a non-EU state than in the workers paradise.

Edited January 17, 2020 by Car Boot

[Car Boot 10]

4 hours ago, Halibut said:

You don't recognise that Brexit is a total horror show nor that the Tory scum are a controlling elite.

Double yikes.

The Tories will be held to account democratically at the next election.

 

To Leave the EU is a democratic decision made by the people, and it is far from clear that it is a "total horror show" as you describe it. Predictions of economic collapse just for daring to vote Leave have failed to materialise.

 

For those who are dependent on the EU gravy train for their extravagant lifestyles I suppose Brexit is a "total horror show". But they, like you, are completely out of touch and on the wrong side of history.

[L00b 441]

3 hours ago, the_bloke said:

BBC news reporting that over 2.7 million EU people have applied for settled status so far.

 

Wasn't the consensus of the armchair experts that people would be leaving en masse?

You haven't left yet.

 

Many HNWI top rate taxpayers (typically running high corpo tax-yielding financial service businesses/departments) and professionals with livelihoods threatened by predictable Brexit outcomes, have already long left.

 

More people still, less invested in their UK life and so with comparatively easier life choices, have also left. For those bothered enough to look, some corners of social media have long borne photos of Continent- and Ireland-bound moving trucks and vans, ferry/port concourses, empty UK houses for sale and tearful farewells.

 

Brexodus will become more visible (i.e. harder to ignore...but again, only for those bothered enough about it) in the post-Brexit period come 2021, when the hostile environment and economic slow-down both begin to bite and catch up with the EU27inUK.

 

There might be a brexoding blip in February, that said: we all saw how hate crimes spiked the length and breadth of the country, in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, so given the crowing about 31st January in tabloids and online, there's no reason to suppose it will be any different come 1st February.

 

 

[Car Boot 10]

If the EU doesn't like trading with nations that have a competitive advantage over its member states because of their employment laws (or lack of employment laws) why are our homes stuffed full of products made in China?

 

I guess the EU took a pass on that one.

[Car Boot 10]

Another Brexit Benefit

 

The UK after Brexit will not contribute financially towards a completely unnecessary, quasi-democratic, trading bloc political structure - the European Parliament. This includes the salaries and expenses of 751 MEPs and the continual expensive movement between Brussels and Strasbourg that people paid by the public purse greatly enjoy.

 

Brexit removes another tier of the out of touch ruling class from our lives. A tier that is distant, remote and extremely well paid. Definitely a Brexit benefit.

[Longcol 594]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

Another Brexit Benefit

 

The UK after Brexit will not contribute financially towards a completely unnecessary, quasi-democratic, trading bloc political structure - the European Parliament. This includes the salaries and expenses of 751 MEPs and the continual expensive movement between Brussels and Strasbourg that people paid by the public purse greatly enjoy.

 

Brexit removes another tier of the out of touch ruling class from our lives. A tier that is distant, remote and extremely well paid. Definitely a Brexit benefit.

Nope - the Tories are still with us and in government for the forseeable future.

[Baron99 775]

20 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Nope - the Tories are still with us and in government for the forseeable future.

Yes, it's brilliant isn't it? 

 

As Car Boot also points out, we'll also not longer be party to the idiotic monthly exercise, (or be required to contribute to), of moving the EU Parliament, lock, stock & barrel from Brussels to Strasbourg, every 4th week for a total of 4 days work, then move the whole shenanigans back to Brussels.  Think not only about the money angle of this which has been going on for decades but also the environmental costs?

https://www.euronews.com/amp/2019/05/20/eu-parliament-s-114m-a-year-move-to-strasbourg-a-waste-of-money-but-will-it-ever-be-scrapp#aoh=15792927512761&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

 

[melthebell 862]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

 

straight from the horses mouth

[Car Boot 10]

22 hours ago, Halibut said:

You don't recognise that Brexit is a total horror show nor that the Tory scum are a controlling elite.

Double yikes.

The Tories were elected in a democratic election. Like them or loathe them, they put themselves to the people and the public vote.

 

Perhaps you prefer the EU method of appointing leaders? The EU Parliament is instructed who to nominate as president, the future of the EU is decided behind closed doors. EU citizens desperately want to elect the person who will govern the EU - but are denied this right. To the EU, electing it's leaders is both revolutionary and forbidden. To the rest of us its just called democracy.

 

EU leaders chose Ursula von der Leyen to replace Jean-Claude Juncker as the leader of the European Union despite the fact she was not on the ballot paper as a candidate and had no manifesto.

 

Is this how you want things done in the UK?

[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The Tories were elected in a democratic election. Like them or loathe them, they put themselves to the people and the public vote.

 

Perhaps you prefer the EU method of appointing leaders? The EU Parliament is instructed who to nominate as president, the future of the EU is decided behind closed doors. EU citizens desperately want to elect the person who will govern the EU - but are denied this right. To the EU, electing it's leaders is both revolutionary and forbidden. To the rest of us its just called democracy.

 

EU leaders chose Ursula von der Leyen to replace Jean-Claude Juncker as the leader of the European Union despite the fact she was not on the ballot paper as a candidate and had no manifesto.

 

Is this how you want things done in the UK?

The "leaders of the EU" are, and have at all times been, the 28 heads of state which compose the European Council.

 

Last I checked, each of them is still democratically elected. The President of that Council is also democratically elected by the Council members.

 

Neither the EU Parliament President, nor the Commission President -nor the European Council President indeed- "govern" the EU: they help implement, in their respective capacities, the governance collectively decided by the European Council.

 

Seems you are still mistaking the EU for a sovereign country or a federation. It's an easy mistake for those unwilling to educate themselves about facts. Unless you are barracking. It's hard to tell, with your frequently-factless rethoric.

 

EDIT: given the methodology  through which British PMs end up in the job (inclusive of party leadership selection), with particular emphasis on the clear failings of the FPTP system, I can't really see how the UK has any lessons left to give  about 'democracy'. You have a system, at best it's no worse than others. But it's a long, very long shout from better-in-class PR-based systems, that reflect the choices of the electorate so much more closely than FPTP ever could.

Edited January 18, 2020 by L00b

[Car Boot 10]

47 minutes ago, L00b said:

The "leaders of the EU" are, and have at all times been, the 28 heads of state which compose the European Council.

 

Last I checked, each of them is still democratically elected. The President of that Council is also democratically elected by the Council members.

 

Neither the EU Parliament President, nor the Commission President -nor the European Council President indeed- "govern" the EU: they help implement, in their respective capacities, the governance collectively decided by the European Council.

 

Seems you are still mistaking the EU for a sovereign country or a federation. It's an easy mistake for those unwilling to educate themselves about facts. Unless you are barracking. It's hard to tell, with your frequently-factless rethoric.

 

EDIT: given the methodology  through which British PMs end up in the job (inclusive of party leadership selection), with particular emphasis on the clear failings of the FPTP system, I can't really see how the UK has any lessons left to give  about 'democracy'. You have a system, at best it's no worse than others. But it's a long, very long shout from better-in-class PR-based systems, that reflect the choices of the electorate so much more closely than FPTP ever could.

So you disagree with Gonzalez Pons, spokesperson for the then largest EPP group in the European Parliament, who in July 2019 stated (regarding the undemocratic actions of the European Council):

 

“You were telling the parliament who it should nominate as president of our chamber! You are now at the point where you’re deciding who is in charge of the ECB (European Central Bank) as if there was one more political nomination. This is not democracy – you are supporting the Eurosceptics, even the nationalists. None of the presidents on the council would accept this being done in their countries. It would be taken to a constitutional court".

 

Many other MEPs also condemned the lack of democracy in the EU.

 

But according to you its all fine. You prefer the future of the EU being decided behind closed doors with no input from the voters.

Edited January 18, 2020 by Car Boot

[Car Boot 10]

Seems I was mistaking the EU for a democracy - something it never has been or will be.

 

Political nominations are how the EU imposes candidates to lead the Commission and to lead the EU Parliament - at the same time ignoring all the candidates that have been voted for by European citizens.

 

It's the EU way.

Edited January 18, 2020 by Car Boot