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[Baron99 772]

40 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Is this going to be a continuing discussion about who is going to the most badly hurt by Brexit?

Is it sufficient to say that other European countries will lose more than the U.K and is this the bargaining tool to be used to complete some trade deals done within a year?

The Brexit benefits remain elusive.

 

 

 

If we're all sensible, there will be no need for anyone to suffer but no doubt reports that they are now looking at job loses on mainland Europe, will hopefully focus minds in agreeing to a deal that benefits us all but such reports are a bargaining chip in the UK's favour. 

Edited December 17, 2019 by Baron99

[L00b 441]

8 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

If we're all sensible, there will be no need for anyone to suffer. 

Define "sensible" (and please let it not be cakeism yet again).

 

PS: yes, Antwerp stands to lose jobs to Brexit. So does Dublin, Paris, etc: the EU27 have made never any secret of the fact, that Brexit will hurt everyone involved to some extent..

 

...and yet, Leaver or Remainer or disinterested alike, we've all seen quite openly and plainly how the EU27 have handled the negotiations over the past 3 years, including on the run up to a no deal - thrice. Now I don't recall the EU27 wavering much. Do you?

Edited December 17, 2019 by L00b

[Baron99 772]

4 minutes ago, L00b said:

Define "sensible" (and please let it not be cakeism yet again).

Sensible - where politicians act like adults for a change. 

 

And what is 'cakeism'? 

Edited December 17, 2019 by Baron99

[L00b 441]

9 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Sensible - where politicians act like adults for a change.

After the first 4 days of business post GE, doesn't look like yours intend to start soon, I'm afraid.

 

Johnson's already managed to box himself into a corner over the forthcoming negotiations, besides rambling some more about no deal.

9 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

And what is 'cakeism'? 

"Having cake and eating it" economics.

Edited December 17, 2019 by L00b

[RJRB 684]

2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

If we're all sensible, there will be no need for anyone to suffer but no doubt reports that they are now looking at job loses on mainland Europe, will hopefully focus minds in agreeing to a deal that benefits us all but such reports are a bargaining chip in the UK's favour. 

We had a deal that sought to benefit us all within the EU.

Now ,by “being sensible “ we will all seek a deal that does the least damage to our economies.

This commences with Boris tacitly threatening a No Deal by imposing a 12month deadline.

The brinkmanship may appeal to the Brexit hardliners but for me his implicit threats are just Boris trying to appear to be a credible leader.

[Baron99 772]

Blimey! It's starting to unravel at the edges already & the UK's not even formally left. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-50828516

 

[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Blimey! It's starting to unravel at the edges already & the UK's not even formally left. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-50828516

 

Populo-fascists like Poland's PiS, Hungary's Orban and the UK's current breed of Conservatives are all busy undermining the separation of powers, one of the constant bedrocks of representative democracies, because an independent legislative and an independent judiciary are existential threats to their governance model.

 

Given that context, I guess the EU member states with reasonable (-as you defined it) political majorities and governments wouldn't have a problem with Poland and Hungary GTFO of the EU together with the UK, to make their own way in the big wide world  

 

The problem for cheerleaders of crypto-fascism is, neither Hungary nor Poland still show the least bit of inclination to do so: they know which side of their socio-economic development toast is best buttered, and that's the EU membership one.

[Car Boot 10]

3 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Blimey! It's starting to unravel at the edges already & the UK's not even formally left. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-50828516

 

The sooner we Leave, the better.

 

Deal or No Deal.

[RJRB 684]

5 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The sooner we Leave, the better.

 

Deal or No Deal.

Have you read the article?

It's the EU using it’s influence for the benefit of the Polish people against a would be autocratic regime.

Whats not to like?

 

[Baron99 772]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

Have you read the article?

It's the EU using it’s influence for the benefit of the Polish people against a would be autocratic regime.

Whats not to like?

 

Only one way to decide it. 

 

Give the Poles a referendum on whether they want to remain tied to the benefit of the EU or decide to go with their own country's legislation? 

[retep 68]

Singapore on Thames,

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1218654/brexit-news-boris-johnson-plan-brexit-deal-free-ports-liz-truss-trade-eu-spt

[tinfoilhat 11]

21 minutes ago, retep said:

Singapore on Thames,

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1218654/brexit-news-boris-johnson-plan-brexit-deal-free-ports-liz-truss-trade-eu-spt

Liz truss is a plank.