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[lottiecass 17]

19 hours ago, Pettytom said:

It should.

 

So tell me why the last two democratically elected parliaments have been dissolved early by the Tories. 
 

Then tell me why we have to vote again and again for a Parliament that fits the referendum result. 
 

All you leavers have a very odd and damaging view of democracy 

Are you mad, its because of remainers we are in this mess. As for fitting the result of the referendum,its just as likely to be  leavers favour as remainers.

[Pettytom 1]

7 minutes ago, lottiecass said:

Are you mad, its because of remainers we are in this mess. As for fitting the result of the referendum,its just as likely to be  leavers favour as remainers.

I’m not even slightly mad.

 

The fact that we’ve not left the EU is entirely down to the extremist Brexiters who have taken over the Tory party. Nobody else. If the ERG had voted for May’s deal, we’d be out.

 

As it is, we keep on getting asked by the extremist Brexiters to elect a parliament, because they don’t like the one we’ve already elected. We keep on doing so, but it doesn’t suit the extremist Brexiters. So we try again. 
 

That’s proper madness. 
 

The extremist Brexiters should maybe pause and consider that a huge number of UK voters don’t want Brexit and that influences the parliament that we elect.
 

It is elementary democracy really.

Edited November 3, 2019 by Pettytom

[The Joker 10]

8 minutes ago, lottiecass said:

Are you mad, its because of remainers we are in this mess.

Really? I though we were in this mess because the Leave camp didn't have a plan other than shout we should "take back control" from an organisation we'd never ceded control to in the first place.

 

Funny how these things slip your mind after three and a bit years, eh?

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by The Joker

[lottiecass 17]

10 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I’m not even slightly mad.

 

The fact that we’ve not left the EU is entirely down to the extremist Brexiters who have taken over the Tory party. Nobody else. If the ERG had voted for May’s deal, we’d be out.

 

As it is, we keep on getting asked by the extremist Brexiters to elect a parliament, because they don’t like the one we’ve already elected. We keep on doing so, but it doesn’t suit the extremist Brexiters. So we try again. 
 

That’s proper madness. 
 

The extremist Brexiters should maybe pause and consider that a huge number of UK voters don’t want Brexit and that influences the parliament that we elect.
 

It is elementary democracy really.

Theres also a huge number that want Brexit and voted leave, and that is democracy.

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Just now, lottiecass said:

Theres also a huge number that want Brexit and voted leave, and that is democracy.

Then why do we keep on having to re-elect parliament, because it doesn’t suit the extremist Brexiters. Yet we can’t re-run the referendum.

 

That doesn’t sound like democracy to me. 

[apelike 10]

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

Then why do we keep on having to re-elect parliament, because it doesn’t suit the extremist Brexiters. Yet we can’t re-run the referendum.

 

That doesn’t sound like democracy to me. 

Of course its democracy as its parliament with a >2/3rd majority that make the decision to hold a GE not just the extremist brexiteers. As far referendums are concerned though it is a bit different as they are held relatively rarely, normally on important constitutional issues and usually with just a binary choice. As Cameron and Osborn stated this referendum was "a once-in-a-lifetime decision." Having said that it is also possible for parliament to revoke A50 and sanction another referendum at a later date if it so wishes, they can also sanction another one once this one has been carried out.

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6 minutes ago, apelike said:

Of course its democracy as its parliament with a >2/3rd majority that make the decision to hold a GE not just the extremist brexiteers.

Not democracy at all, we keep being forced to vote to get the result you want. Mr's May wanted a bigger majority in 2017 because she thought it would be the easiest way of getting brexit through parliament. Because? Yes you have guessed it , the Tory infighting continued. The only people who have thwarted Brexit are the Brexiteers themselves, because they don't know what the Chuffing Nora they want.

 

Three general elections in four years? really?

 

You think we are daft.

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, Dardandec said:

Not democracy at all, we keep being forced to vote to get the result you want.

Of course its democracy as its parliament (our democratically elected body) that is agreeing to and wanting to hold another election and not just the brexiteers in said parliament. Of course you don't have to vote and are not forced to vote if you dont want to...  Don't forget that often quoted bit by David Davis who said that a democracy is not a democracy if people cant change their minds, and in our democracy MPs in parliament can also change their minds, or is that no longer valid because it does not suit the remainers now? In case you have forgotten the brexiteers in parliament are not in the majority.

 

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You think we are daft.

Now what make you think that..... 

Edited November 4, 2019 by apelike

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We still don’t know what the consequences might be although many of us fear that it is not going to give us any benefits.Rather the opposite.

We do know one thing as a result of the Brexit vote .

Even the hawks of the Brexit movement ,Farage and Rees-Mogg are at each other’s throats over the proposed WA.

There must be renewed hope for a People’s vote because there is absolutely no unanimity between those who supposedly won the day.

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On 03/11/2019 at 20:04, lottiecass said:

Theres also a huge number that want Brexit

If they could just agree what that means...

 

(Norway, which is close to what we were promised. Or Canada, which would mean a massive hit to our services industry. Or WTO which would wipe out farming and manufacturing. etc.)

 

So which one is it?

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On 03/11/2019 at 20:04, lottiecass said:

Theres also a huge number that want Brexit and voted leave, and that is democracy.

Only if that ‘huge number’ are the majority.

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9 hours ago, ads36 said:

If they could just agree what that means...

 

(Norway, which is close to what we were promised. Or Canada, which would mean a massive hit to our services industry. Or WTO which would wipe out farming and manufacturing. etc.)

 

So which one is it?

Leave means leave