Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

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19 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The Remain cause is a lost cause.

 

'Rejoin' will replace it. 

Rejoining won't be an option. certainly not in my lifetime, you wouldn't leave a club where your membership fees included a rebate, and exclusions to other things you didn't like in that club.  I don't think you really understand the astronomical benefits we have of being in the EU. After we leave that will be all gone, that's why this madness has to be stopped before it happens. I still really believe you Brexiteers don't realise how state of the art our current membership is (Not perfect I know, but changeable from inside, no chance outside of it) and I still strongly believe a vast majority of Brexit voters believe a lot of our woes in this country are down to the EU and not failings in our own governments. But we will never get the same membership benefits ever again. If you are happy with that then fine, you go with your beliefs. It wont make any difference to me, I have work arounds, unfortunately the people you profess to want to protect dont.

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10 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

That's an interesting perspective, but one which almost everybody in the UK would disagree with.  Although you're right that the 1945-1979 governments were more business-friendly and less socialist than the post-1979 propaganda has led most people to believe.

I can well conceive that almost everybody in the UK would disagree with it, because barely anybody in the UK is familiar with De Gaulle, his post-war (geo)politics and his motivations for nixing the UK's earlier accession demands time and again.  

 

Having grown up in France not so long after his last presidency, kinda helps me with the relevant insights here 

10 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

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I think what you're really advocating there is a return to the internationalism (if not global in scope) of the Trente Glorieuses, based on co-operation between governments and underpinned by the Bretton Woods currency arrangements.  In today's version of globalism, if a country tried to enact any redistributive policies (downwardly redistributive, that is - upwards redistribution is of course always acceptable), all those Foreign Direct Investors would immediately take their Foreign Direct Investments somewhere else.

That they would, but that's also why collectivisation of mitigating policies is desirable - and actually under way, by the EU and others.

 

That sort of collectivisation does happen indeed,  and works, as factually witnessed in recent times with the eradication of just about all tax havens (admittedly, once the US finally got off its thumb in the 90s, and decided to seriously set about doing something about them, spearheading for the rest of the crowd). But it takes a long time to set up and to bear fruits, and a fundamental prerequisite is that enough members in the G20 must first realise and acknowledge the danger of doing nothing (or, in context, continuing to race against fellow members towards the socio-economic bottom for short-term gain).

 

Here, we fall back on the non-trivial issue of political leadership quality which, in this day and age, will be just as much of a pushback force against solving the problem, as the GAFAs and other large-scale tax avoiders and their armies of tax planners and lobbyists themselves.

 

In that overall context, the EU works better than most, because its procedural and structural formality maintains national (trading) interests pooled and so aligned, relative to the rest of the world, notwithstanding any temporary divergences by one member state or the other due to domestic politics. It's a work in progress, but one which works better than known alternatives so far, because collegiate collaboration  is the bedrock of the construct, and the collectivised (pooled) prerogatives are decoupled from individual member states.

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Regarding trade, I guess you're saying that De Gaulle was wrong to resist the UK's accession, if that resistance was indeed on account of the UK's commitment to mercantilism?

I think he was wrong indeed. I reckon we could have ended up with the SM much sooner, achieving the trading synergies of the past 25-30 years much earlier, and so achieving a better (still stronger) positioning relative to the US and Asian economies.

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by L00b

[Car Boot 10]

We must dismantle the institutions and organisations which enforce economic austerity. 

 

The EU is one such institution. 

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Proof of your assertion? You've been asked for reasons before and all we get is pufflewaffle that could come from Boris

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4 hours ago, Car Boot said:

We must dismantle the institutions and organisations which enforce economic austerity. 

 

The EU is one such institution. 

You forgot the Tory Party again. 

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4 hours ago, Car Boot said:

We must dismantle the institutions and organisations which enforce economic austerity. 

 

The EU is one such institution. 

Brexit in whatever form, will cause more economic austerity than any Tory government past or present and that will hit the working class first and hardest.

 

Car Boot -supporting economic attacks on the working class to facilitate greater profits for crisis capitalists!

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10 hours ago, Longcol said:

You forgot the Tory Party again. 

NO to austerity whether from Brussels or Britain.  

 

NO to the four false freedoms for business. 

 

NO to the pro-austerity EU, Tories and Lib Dems.

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20 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

NO to austerity whether from Brussels or Britain.  

 

NO to the four false freedoms for business. 

 

NO to the pro-austerity EU, Tories and Lib Dems.

So who you going to vote for lol, yer labour favourites are closer to remain than leave

Edited October 31, 2019 by melthebell

[L00b 441]

Happy no-Brexit-day 

 

Can someone please let me know-

(1) what time do the riots start?

(2) which ditch to watch Johnson die in?

(3) what time Katie Hopkins dances naked in the Apprentice's losers' café?

(4) what time Mark Francois eats Steve Bray's hat, before exploding?

 

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3 hours ago, Car Boot said:

NO to austerity whether from Brussels or Britain.  

 

NO to the four false freedoms for business. 

 

NO to the pro-austerity EU, Tories and Lib Dems.

Lol - we're still waiting for "no to the running dog lackeys of capitalist imperialism" 😎

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2 hours ago, L00b said:

Happy no-Brexit-day 

 

Can someone please let me know-

(1) what time do the riots start?

This is now the third time a Brexit deadline has expired and so far the only response has been a few coked-up neo-Nazis fighting with the police in Whitehall, a drunken idiot waving a Union Jack on top of St Pancras station and somebody painting ‘Leave means Leave on a road in Essex!

 

Where is the far-right populist outrage we were promised if we didn’t leave by (insert your own date of choice).

 

I have always said that an attribute of many Leave supporters is basic laziness, and a willingness to blame everyone but themselves for all life’s ills. Today’s pathetic response to yet another passing deadline shows that to be fairly accurate.

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According to Mark Francois, this is the day that Britain explodes. I was wondering how that was going down where you live.

 

Its been pretty tense in my neck of the woods. Someone has just crossed the road without waiting for the green man. In the distance, I can hear a dog barking . The postman was a bit late this morning too.

 

Am I just unlucky, or is everywhere this crazy?