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2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

Don't be so naive.  The Government and Boris tell their legal advisers what they want to achieve and legal advice is given to support and not support their aim.  The Government legal advisers will have told Boris it was highly likely he would lose in the Supreme Court.  The same legal people who argue against Boris would argue for him if they were working for him. To suggest the legal experts who advice Boris are not the very best is ludicrous

So you're saying Boris prorogued parliament despite his legal advisers telling him it wasn't legal to do so.

22 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

The Irish border seems to have the best governmental brains in a twist. By best I mean Barclay.

 

BBC News - Brexit deal: NI firms must declare goods heading to rest of the UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50137320

 

Shambles.

On Politics Live this lunchtime someone commented that if the Brexit Secretary, who has known what's in the withdraw agreement all along, doesn't understand it what chance have MPs of understanding it in the three days they've been given.

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15 minutes ago, altus said:

So you're saying Boris prorogued parliament despite his legal advisers telling him it wasn't legal to do so.

 

I'm saying Boris will have known that there was a risk that proroguing Parliament would be challenged in the courts and he would lose.  Also Boris will have known that a ruling against him in the Supreme Court won't damage him politically because the honest section of the general public support his efforts by whatever means to get the democratic 2016 EU Referendum implemented.  Boris is the good guy in the eyes of all reasonable honest people who respect the democratic  2016 EU Referendum result.

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By whatever means?

 

Im fairly certain that the honest people wouldn't go that far.

 

News though - Bojo is going to pull the brexit bill ina  fit of pique and arrange a new Parliament if they get and extension and the timetable is voted down. So that is a dead cert now.

 

Election before Chrimbo and a new leader, that will be fun.

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8 minutes ago, Obelix said:

By whatever means?

 

Im fairly certain that the honest people wouldn't go that far.

 

News though - Bojo is going to pull the brexit bill ina  fit of pique and arrange a new Parliament if they get and extension and the timetable is voted down. So that is a dead cert now.

 

Election before Chrimbo and a new leader, that will be fun.

Sadly, it will be the same leader with a workable majority. 

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22 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I'm saying Boris will have known that there was a risk that proroguing Parliament would be challenged in the courts and he would lose.  Also Boris will have known that a ruling against him in the Supreme Court won't damage him politically because the honest section of the general public support his efforts by whatever means to get the democratic 2016 EU Referendum implemented.  Boris is the good guy in the eyes of all reasonable honest people who respect the democratic  2016 EU Referendum result.

So he prevented parliament from doing its job in order to boost his chances in an election - very honest of him.

Edited October 22, 2019 by altus

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1 hour ago, altus said:

So you're saying Boris prorogued parliament despite his legal advisers telling him it wasn't legal to do so.

I don't think his legal advisors said it wasn't legal to prorogue parliament the way he did. In any case the courts later declared that it was unlawful and not illegal.

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23 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Sadly, it will be the same leader with a workable majority. 

You are most likely correct.  The Tory Party are the only Party with any chance of winning a workable majority.

 

The reality is that by negotiating a new deal with the EU, Boris is in a much stronger position to win an outright majority in the General Election than he would have been if Parliament had allowed a General Election before the EU summit.  An extension if granted by the EU won't damage Boris because everyone knows he had a gun to his head and was forced by a dishonest Parliament to write the letter.

 

19 minutes ago, altus said:

So he prevented parliament from doing its job in order to boost his chances in an election - very honest of him.

The truth is the dishonest parliament continue to seek to prevent Boris doing the job of the Government which is to implement the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.

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It's increasingly clear that Johnson and his cabinet don't understand what they're proposing to do to Northern Ireland...

 

Which is disturbing and hilarious in equal measures.

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30 minutes ago, ads36 said:

It's increasingly clear that Johnson and his cabinet don't understand what they're proposing to do to Northern Ireland...

 

Which is disturbing and hilarious in equal measures.

Mostly disturbing if I’m honest, magnified by the fact his acolytes don’t seem to care about the damage he’s doing.

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51 minutes ago, apelike said:

I don't think his legal advisors said it wasn't legal to prorogue parliament the way he did. In any case the courts later declared that it was unlawful and not illegal.

Unlawful/illegal, it doesn't alter my point - he'd have gone against the advice of his legal experts.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Sadly, it will be the same leader with a workable majority. 

Depends on whether Johnson manages to get anything through the HoC this side of Hallowe'en.

 

Because if he doesn't, all those promises which he made during his leadership campaign (do or die Brexit by Hallowe'en, won't ever request an extension, etc) are going to come back haunting the Tories' electoral campaign with a vengeance...

 

...to the benefit of Nigel's BXP which, supreme irony, would severely cannibalise the Tory vote, and so dilute the pro-Leave vote everywhere.

 

Sprinkle a bit more mixed messaging from self-conflicted, fence-sitting Labour on top of that confused electorate, and you just may end up with the LibDems in with a shout at playing kingmaker.

 

Electoral polls over the past few months are all over the place, so I'll take my cues from actual by-election results over the same timescale, and there the picture is much clearer: the LDs are cleaning up.

Edited October 22, 2019 by L00b

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I'm sat as an election agent for a couple of LD candidates and the private polling information we are getting is most illuminating. If bojo fails to deliver as he now almost certainly will the LD are hoovering up votes from the Tories, with a more modest amount coming from Labour. It could be very interesting...