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[RJRB 688]

Following the democratic vote it would seem that we may have a sort of mid shade of grey deal out of the 50 or so that have been discussed.There is to be no opportunity to do the obvious,fair and logical thing which is to vote on the 2 options.This deal or Remain.

Now that would be democratic!

Edited October 18, 2019 by RJRB

[apelike 10]

12 minutes ago, Litotes said:

Amazing how none of the belavers have any challenge to this post.

Not really as it is just the usual rant from someone who does not like the fact that this time democracy didn't go his way and adds nothing at all to the debate.

 

12 minutes ago, Litotes said:

The MP is a cheat, a liar, a sexist and racist and the fact that the leavers are behind him tars them with the same brush - how can you countenance supporting such a reprehensible character?

 

He should be in jail.

That is just your personal opinion.

 

12 minutes ago, Litotes said:

If it is a democracy the population should have the chance to change their minds.

Yes agreed but only after the first democratic process has completed, just like in an election.

 

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Just now, apelike said:

As far as I recall the outcome of the referendum was 51.89% for leave against 48.11% for remain which make leave the majority.. or does it not work that way?

 

I think the EU have already agreed that is not the case by approving this deal.

 

I agree.

 

Only after the first democratic one is implemented and that is only if parliament wish to have another.

Nope, you are wrong, more people did not vote to leave than did - but we've been through this before and you still don't get the numbers.

 

You have previously agreed that just because the Eu agree to something, it doesn't make it fact.

 

Wrong - you can change your mind in midstream and go after a new target - leave campaign has done just that - why can't the democracy? After all "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy - David Davies"

 

Oh, and Lockdoctor - just because you don't like the music, doesn't make it wrong.

1 minute ago, apelike said:

That is just your personal opinion.

 

So, by that statement, you are advocating that someone who has been proven to be a liar, a cheat, is sexist and a racist is the sort of person you want to run your country?

These is the high standards by which you want to be led?

 

You set you stall by these standards of public decency? Do you? DO YOU?

 

What a poor set of standard these are to give to our future generations, your children (if you have any, apologies of you don't ).

 

Our parliamentarians should be setting the standards - and I won't countenance MY children following the standards set by the lying cheating sexist racist PM we have now - if you do, we that is your choice...

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3 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Following the democratic vote it would seem that we may have a sort of mid shade of grey deal out of the 50 or so that have been discussed.There is to be no opportunity to do the obvious,fair and logical thing which is to vote on the 2 options.This deal or Remain.

Now that would be democratic!

No it wouldn't as it is parliament that are tasked with making decisions for the people and not the other way round. Parliament can simply revoke A50 if they want and end and it would all be over but they have shown great reluctance to do that. They know that the decision has been made to leave so if, and that is a big if, if we have a second to endorse what has happened then it should be leave with the deal or leave without and nothing else. That would be democratic as it also takes into account the results of the first referendum.

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8 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Following the democratic vote it would seem that we may have a sort of mid shade of grey deal out of the 50 or so that have been discussed.There is to be no opportunity to do the obvious,fair and logical thing which is to vote on the 2 options.This deal or Remain.

Now that would be democratic!

But the beleavers don't appear to want to be democractic.

Just now, apelike said:

No it wouldn't as it is parliament that are tasked with making decisions for the people and not the other way round. Parliament can simply revoke A50 if they want and end and it would all be over but they have shown great reluctance to do that. They know that the decision has been made to leave so if, and that is a big if, if we have a second to endorse what has happened then it should be leave with the deal or leave without and nothing else. That would be democratic as it also takes into account the results of the first referendum.

No, parliament has been trying to work through a deal so it could try to deliver what just over a 3rd of the country wanted.

Now it becomes increasingly apparent that they can't, they should go to the country a third time to see if the country would rather stay in the EU.

 

That would be democratic.

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33 minutes ago, Litotes said:

Nope, you are wrong, more people did not vote to leave than did - but we've been through this before and you still don't get the numbers.

No its you and some others on here that that does not understand how the democratic process in the UK works. It's really simple, those that vote on the day are the ones that count.

 

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You have previously agreed that just because the Eu agree to something, it doesn't make it fact.

 

Wrong - you can change your mind in midstream and go after a new target - leave campaign has done just that - why can't the democracy? After all "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy - David Davies"

You still don't get it, only parliament can make decisions of that nature as you or I don't get a say. As soon as parliament start to be dictated to by the public then they know they are on a slippery slope as when that starts to happen there will be no need for them.

 

Glad to read this as well:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50088993

 

Edited October 18, 2019 by apelike

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51 minutes ago, Lex Luthor said:

No, it's because Benn and his cronies have gotten away with taking  no-deal off the table.

Lol, “gotten away with”.

 

That pesky sovereignty again!

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Democratic vote passes the Benn Bill

 

*Headbangers*

1 hour ago, Lex Luthor said:

 Benn and his cronies have gotten away with taking  no-deal off the table.

 

Pull the other one, you might yank Farage off with it.

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Does the Tory deal mean we have to obey EU foreign policy and sign up to an EU army?

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3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Does the Tory deal mean we have to obey EU foreign policy and sign up to an EU army?

It doesn’t say we won’t. It is ironically not legally binding because it is NOT a Treaty. 

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9 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Does the Tory deal mean we have to obey EU foreign policy and sign up to an EU army?

Not that I know of - but neither would remaining.

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20 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Does the Tory deal mean we have to obey EU foreign policy and sign up to an EU army?

For someone with such robust views on the EU, you have a very shaky grasp upon how it works.

 

What do you think about the banana problem?