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28 minutes ago, apelike said:

It's not the same as May's though as the backstop has been removed and that was what most of the MP's who voted it down were against.

But now we're effectively breaking up the UK. That, quite specifically, wasn't on the ballot paper.

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6 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

But now we're effectively breaking up the UK. That, quite specifically, wasn't on the ballot paper.

Northern Ireland will remain in the same customs union as the rest of the UK. 

 

The new  Withdrawal Agreement will get through Parliament if the EU rule out any further extensions because the default legal position is a no-deal exit on 31st October.

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47 minutes ago, apelike said:

It's not the same as May's though as the backstop has been removed and that was what most of the MP's who voted it down were against.

 

18 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

But now we're effectively breaking up the UK. That, quite specifically, wasn't on the ballot paper.

anyone complaining about the old WA, must really hate the new one.

 

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57 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Northern Ireland will remain in the same customs union as the rest of the UK. 

 

The new  Withdrawal Agreement will get through Parliament if the EU rule out any further extensions because the default legal position is a no-deal exit on 31st October.

There must be some differences for Northern Ireland.  Firstly to get the deal done and secondly for the DUP to object to it in such a fashion.

 

The BBC have a short report on the differences but even then it's slightly contradictory.

 

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The whole of the UK will leave the EU customs union. 

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Northern Ireland will be set apart from the rest of the UK when it comes to customs and other EU rules

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in practice the customs border will be between Great Britain and the island of Ireland,

 

It sounds like a variation on the idea of a border down the Irish sea, something rejected long ago.

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1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

Northern Ireland will remain in the same customs union as the rest of the UK. 

 

The new  Withdrawal Agreement will get through Parliament if the EU rule out any further extensions because the default legal position is a no-deal exit on 31st October.

Boris will ask for an extension if this doesn't go through parliament. Hopefully if it's rejected and Boris asks then the EU will refuse the extension, surely then we'd have to leave without a deal

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5 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

Boris will ask for an extension if this doesn't go through parliament. Hopefully if it's rejected and Boris asks then the EU will refuse the extension, surely then we'd have to leave without a deal

The EU won't refuse the extension. The know parliament is hamstrung and they'll either be another referendum or general election or both in the near future.

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1 minute ago, tinfoilhat said:

The EU won't refuse the extension. The know parliament is hamstrung and they'll either be another referendum or general election or both in the near future.

BBC Breaking News is stating Juncker has ruled out granting an extension.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

BBC Breaking News is stating Juncker has ruled out granting an extension.

 

 

You are either mistaken or speaking through malice. That is not what Juncker said at all.

 

Fake news never helps anyone. Juncker has not ruled out an extension. He was speaking about his approach to dealing with Boris

 

"The European Commission President says he spoke to Boris Johnson 30 minutes ago about the prospect of an extension.

Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters: "I was ruling out that there would be any kind of prolongation.

"If we have a deal we have a deal and there is no need for prolongation."

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6 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

The EU won't refuse the extension. The know parliament is hamstrung and they'll either be another referendum or general election or both in the near future.

It would depend if they thought there was a chance of striking a deal. They've said they won't just for sake of it. I hope they won't give an extension though, needs sorting one way or another

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4 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

BBC Breaking News is stating Juncker has ruled out granting an extension.

 

 

You are mistaking what Juncker is saying.

 

He is saying that there is no need to extend the time needed to complete this deal. If Parliament rejects it, then we are back to square one with Bozo having to go back to Brussels as per the terms of the Benn Act.

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6 minutes ago, NERVY-OWL said:

It would depend if they thought there was a chance of striking a deal. They've said they won't just for sake of it. I hope they won't give an extension though, needs sorting one way or another

Any future extension would have to include a general election, something everyone already knows.

 

If it's granted obviously.

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2 hours ago, apelike said:

It's not the same as May's though as the backstop has been removed and that was what most of the MP's who voted it down were against.

You’re quite right: it’s a ‘May minus’ deal, which manages to turn the backstop from an insurance policy  into an actual policy 😂

 

On the topic of Juncker’s words, the refusal of an extension is not in his power, that is solely the decision of the Council (27 heads of member states). It always helps to remember how the EU actually works, before tilting at windmills yet again.

 

He’s simply helping Johnson to sell the deal at home, with a message intended for MPs so they mull their actions very carefully this Saturday. The EU is bored to tears by Brexit, they want it over and ‘done’ about as much as the Brexit Party cretins - but preferably not without a deal.

 

So, on the topic of an extension itself, it’s still hard to envisage the EU refusing it if Johnson requests it under the Benn Act, after his deal inevitably fails in the HoC on Saturday.

 

I can see the frothing from the ERG about Article 8 of the protocol (UK to implement/enforce EU law under ECJ 🤣) already.

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