Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[Lockdoctor 10]

19 minutes ago, ads36 said:

and then what?

 

what about farm subsidies?

what about the JIT supply chain?

what about the umpteen trade deals we need to negotiate just to get us back to something like square one?

etc.

etc.

etc.

 

there's never the detail to back it up.

We don't know whether our country is going to leave the EU on 31st October with or without a deal.  If we leave with a deal then there will be a transitional period where nothing will really change on 1st November.  In the future it will be up to the Government of the day to decide issues such as farm subsidies.

 

None of know how things will turn out after Brexit is fully implemented because it hasn't happened yet.  Similarly none of us know whether England will have a good Rugby World Cup because it hasn't really started yet for England.  However, we do know Scotland haven't had a good Rugby World Cup because of what happened yesterday.

Edited October 14, 2019 by Lockdoctor

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14 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

If we leave with a deal then there will be a transitional period...

no. we have to leave first, then get a deal - thems the rules (that we wrote).

 

your wave of the hand statement : 'there will be a transitional period' - that's what all this mess is currently about. We haven't even started arguing over the deal yet, so far it's all been about the withdrawal agreement.

 

we can't even agree what kind of transition we want, never mind a trade deal.

Edited October 14, 2019 by ads36

[Longcol 597]

3 minutes ago, ads36 said:

no. we have to leave first, then get a deal - thems the rules (that we wrote).

 

your wave of the hand statement : 'there will be a transitional period' - that's what all this mess is currently about. We haven't even started arguing over the deal yet, so far it's all been about the withdrawal agreement.

 

we can't even agree what kind of transition we want, never mind a trade deal.

No - I agree with Lockdoctor - leaving with a deal (which would be short term in nature) would be transitional until we'd negotiated a proper long term trade deal - and numerous other arrangements.

[tinfoilhat 11]

20 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

We don't know whether our country is going to leave the EU on 31st October with or without a deal.  If we leave with a deal then there will be a transitional period where nothing will really change on 1st November.  In the future it will be up to the Government of the day to decide issues such as farm subsidies.

 

None of know how things will turn out after Brexit is fully implemented because it hasn't happened yet.  Similarly none of us know whether England will have a good Rugby World Cup because it hasn't really started yet for England.  However, we do know Scotland haven't had a good Rugby World Cup because of what happened yesterday.

How do you know the current government won't go out and set fire to every single UK on the 1st November?

 

You don't know do you.

[Lockdoctor 10]

3 minutes ago, ads36 said:

no. we have to leave first, then get a deal - thems the rules (that we wrote).

 

your wave of the hand statement : 'there will be a transitional period' - that's what all this mess is currently about. We haven't even started arguing over the deal yet, so far it's all been about the withdrawal agreement.

 

we can't even agree what kind of transition we want, never mind a trade deal.

I am struggling to understand what point your are trying to make. 

 

The current mess has been caused by the MPs who seek to block Brexit.  Once our country leaves the EU on the 31st October then our country will be able to sort out future arrangements with EU and trade deals elsewhere  because the argument about whether are country should remain or leave the EU will have been finally settled.

[melthebell 862]

5 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I am struggling to understand what point your are trying to make. 

 

The current mess has been caused by the MPs who seek to block Brexit.  Once our country leaves the EU on the 31st October then our country will be able to sort out future arrangements with EU and trade deals elsewhere  because the argument about whether are country should remain or leave the EU will have been finally settled.

No the mess is caused by Brexit, it's completely unworkable

Edited October 14, 2019 by melthebell

[Longcol 597]

10 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The current mess has been caused by the MPs who seek to block Brexit. 

Don't you mean the Tories in the ERG who wanted to crash out without a deal and voted against May - if they'd voted with her in the last vote she'd have had a majority and we'd be leaving with a deal on 31/10.

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14 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I am struggling to understand what point your are trying to make. 

you said 'there will be a transitional period' - as if that would be a simple solution to the Brexit related problems I mentioned.

 

the withdrawal agreement/transition period *is* the bit that our government and the EU are currently talking about.

 

none of the important questions have (ever) been answered.

 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2019 by ads36

[Pettytom 1]

27 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I am struggling to understand what point your are trying to make. 

 

The current mess has been caused by the MPs who seek to block Brexit.  Once our country leaves the EU on the 31st October then our country will be able to sort out future arrangements with EU and trade deals elsewhere  because the argument about whether are country should remain or leave the EU will have been finally settled.

Incorrect.

 

The current mess is a result of the ERG playing games.

 

The fact that things are not infinitely worse is down to the MPs who have steadfastly opposed no deal and the disaster that would bring.

We should be proud that our elected representatives are brave enough to stand up for the national interest, in the face of some horrendous bullying and intimidation.

[Lockdoctor 10]

21 minutes ago, ads36 said:

 

you said 'there will be a transitional period' - as if that would be a simple solution to the Brexit related problems I mentioned.

 

the withdrawal agreement/transition period *is* the bit that our government and the EU are currently talking about.

 

none of the important questions have (ever) been answered.

 

 

 

I will try again.   

 

At the moment there are a large number of MPs seeking to stop Brexit all together.  Once our country has left the EU on 31st October these MPs will no longer be able to stop Brexit because it will have happened.  Then it will be in everyone's interest to work to achieve the best future  trade deals and arrangements with he EU and other countries.  There will only be a transitional period if a Withdrawal Agreement  or a Managed Exit is agreed between the UK and EU.

 

21 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Don't you mean the Tories in the ERG who wanted to crash out without a deal and voted against May - if they'd voted with her in the last vote she'd have had a majority and we'd be leaving with a deal on 31/10.

If all the MPs in Parliament who thought Theresa May's and Oliver Robbins deal was better than a no-deal  had voted for the deal then we would have left on 29th March.   The MPs who thought no-deal was better than the deal on offer are not to blame for the delay in leaving the EU because they supported our country leaving the EU on 29th March by the default legal position.

Edited October 14, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Longcol 597]

5 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

 

If all the MPs in Parliament who thought Theresa May's and Oliver Robbins deal was better than a no-deal  had voted for the deal then we would have left on 29th March.   The MPs who thought no-deal was better than the deal on offer are not to blame for the delay in leaving the EU because they supported our country leaving the EU on 29th March by the default legal position.

If you can't get your own party to vote for you then don't go blaming the opposition.

 

We're rather tired of the Tories blaming everyone but themselves for this mess.

[apelike 10]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Because it would have destroyed the economy, grounded all commercial aviation and stopped all road transport, immediately stopped the supply of imported medicines and radioisotopes, removed countless surgeons, oncologists and other medical specialists from their jobs as well as nearly a third of nursing and ancillary staff, left many thousands of Europe-based expatriates homeless and with no medical protection.

 

Need I go on?

No because it is incredibly flawed thinking!