Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[apelike 10]

8 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It said nothing about remaining or leaving the single market, or the customs union. It also didn’t mention VAT.

So you would be ok that it could also include a hard brexit then as most remainers on here seem to think otherwise.

[Pettytom 1]

5 minutes ago, apelike said:

Leave 17,410,742 - 650,000 = 16,760,742

Remain = 16,141,241

 

So leave would still have won without those votes.

 

 

Where would the 650 000 votes go?

[apelike 10]

3 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Not if you add those 650,000 votes to remain - which is what Cummings appears to think. 

Well spotted.... cough!

Edited October 13, 2019 by apelike

[Pettytom 1]

Just now, apelike said:

So you would be ok that it could also include a hard brexit then as most remainers on here seem to think otherwise.

I’m simply putting your argument, and your fellow travellers argument,  back to you in fairly simple terms. 

 

I’m certainly not ok with a hard Brexit. The will of the people is for a soft Brexit. That’s quite clear from the referendum, the EU election and the GE.

 

That is what should happen. Sadly.

[Longcol 600]

4 minutes ago, apelike said:

Well spotted.... cough!

Lol - have you been smoking Penistone999's "duty frees"?

[apelike 10]

Just now, Pettytom said:

The will of the people is for a soft Brexit. That’s quite clear from the referendum, the EU election and the GE.

But a soft brexit, as you have already explained, was not on the ballot paper, not part of the EU election campaigns and nothing to do with the GE.

[Pettytom 1]

Just now, apelike said:

But a soft brexit, as you have already explained, was not on the ballot paper, not part of the EU election campaigns and nothing to do with the GE.

The “will of the people” wasn’t on the ballot papers either. 
 

It is something to be extrapolated from other evidence. 
 

Quite clearly, with the country as split as it is, we need to look for the middle ground. People like you, advancing arguments like yours, make that difficult 

[Longcol 600]

Just now, apelike said:

But a soft brexit, as you have already explained, was not on the ballot paper, not part of the EU election campaigns and nothing to do with the GE.

 "Soft" and "hard" brexit both referred to leaving with a deal - May's deal with its red lines was seen as a hard brexit. Both were discussed as part of the GE campaign.

[L00b 441]

 

10 hours ago, apelike said:

So you would be ok that it could also include a hard brexit then as most remainers on here seem to think otherwise.

 

10 hours ago, apelike said:

But a soft brexit, as you have already explained, was not on the ballot paper, not part of the EU election campaigns and nothing to do with the GE.

Conclusively, what do your two questions demonstrate?

 

That 'Leave the EU' was a choice lacking even an elementary definition at the time of ticking one of those two boxes on that ballot paper, whence all those voting for Leave, were voting for their own, individual definition of what Leaving would entail, i.e. a completely heterogenous set of outcomes, none of which can claim any increased democratic legitimacy over the others.

 

You're still as snookered as you were on the morning of 24 June 2016. In fact, since Johnson arrived in no.10, arguably more so.

 

Those 17 days can't pass quick enough.

[Car Boot 10]

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Those 17 days can't pass quick enough.

Too true.

 

No Deal Brexit bring it on.

 

Let's do this!

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13 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Let's do this!

who will we blame for all the problems when it turns out to be a terrible idea?

 

will it still be the eu, and foreigners? or will we move onto another scape-goat?

Edited October 14, 2019 by ads36

[Lockdoctor 10]

13 hours ago, Pettytom said:

The “will of the people” wasn’t on the ballot papers either. 
 

It is something to be extrapolated from other evidence. 
 

Quite clearly, with the country as split as it is, we need to look for the middle ground. People like you, advancing arguments like yours, make that difficult 

I voted to Remain and if that had been the choice of the  majority then I would have expected our country to remain 100% in the EU.  Let's be honest if Remain had won 52% to 48%  then nobody would listen to anyone  suggesting we look for the middle ground.   

 

16 minutes ago, ads36 said:

 

who will we blame for all the problems when it turns out to be a terrible idea?

 

will it still be the eu, and foreigners? or will we move onto another scape-goat?

It's not happened yet and nobody knows whether it will turn out to be a bad idea. We're all lucky to live in the UK regardless  of whether the UK is a member of the EU.

Edited October 14, 2019 by Lockdoctor