Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

[apelike 10]

23 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Nope, plenty of leave voters have changed their mind. A couple have admitted as much on this very thread.

True but as pointed out before its fairy even with an 8% change on either side. Think I posted a link as well to data by Sir John Curtice.

[Lockdoctor 10]

52 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

So, you don’t bother checking locks once you’ve installed them?

As stated I don't buy your spin.

 

The only new information that Leave voters now know is that Parliament have engineered a situation to make it more difficult to implement the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.

 

26 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Nope, plenty of leave voters have changed their mind. A couple have admitted as much on this very thread.

The European election results showed the desire to leave the EU hasn't lessened since 2016 otherwise the Brexit Party wouldn't have done better than what UKIP did in 2014. The truth is the undemocratic people who still want our country to remain in the EU don't care about the wishes of the people who voted to leave the EU. The truth is those undemocratic people seeking another EU referendum think the result would be different next time because they believe significant leave voters have died and new voters now old enough to vote want our country to remain in the EU. The reason that significant Leave voters have changed their minds since 2016 to justify another referendum is a deliberate red herring.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Pettytom 1]

3 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

As stated I don't buy your spin.

 

The only new information that Leave voters now know is that Parliament have engineered a situation to make it more difficult to implement the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.

 

The European election results showed the desire to leave the EU hasn't lessened since 2016 otherwise the Brexit Party wouldn't have done better than what UKIP did in 2014. The truth is the undemocratic people who still want our country to remain in the EU don't care about the wishes of the people who voted to leave the EU. The truth is those undemocratic people seeking another EU referendum think the result would be different next time because they believe significant leave voters have died and new voters now old enough to vote want our country to remain in the EU. The reason that significant Leave voters have changed their minds since 2016 to justify another referendum is a deliberate red herring.

In which case, a second referendum will give a resounding victory for leave.

 

So, there is nothing to fear for you extremist Brexiteers.

[apelike 10]

11 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

As has been mentioned many times, the ‘Leave voter’ mindset is a blame everyone else, do nothing one. 

I think you have that reversed as its not that way at all, in any case its not the leave voters that have to do anything.  The remainers are the ones complaining and blaming the leave voters for not voting the same as them. Its the very same remain voters that have been complaining that the leave voters are racist, xenophobic and thick. All the remainer voters have done is sit back and complain and do little else.

Edited October 13, 2019 by apelike

[Top Cats Hat 10]

4 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The European election results showed the desire to leave the EU hasn't lessened since 2016

Only if you see Leave support going from plus 4% to minus 6-10% as not lessening.

 

Simple maths would suggest otherwise. 😂🤣😂

[Lockdoctor 10]

21 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

In which case, a second referendum will give a resounding victory for leave.

 

So, there is nothing to fear for you extremist Brexiteers.

I'm not a  Brexiteer because I voted to remain.  I support the implementation of the 2016 EU referendum result because I respect democracy.

 

Why should leave voters support another referendum when they have already won and witnessed the backsliding in Parliament over the last three years?  The Lib Dem leader stated she supports  another referendum but wouldn't support the result if it was not to remain in the EU.  A second referendum victory for Leave would still face opposition from the same people who don't respect the 2016 democratic EU Referendum result.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Pettytom 1]

10 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

 

 

Why should leave voters support another referendum when they have already won 

As I said up there ^^^ checking is an intrinsically good thing to do.

 

All respectable craftsmen, or professionals check their work on a regular basis.

[davyboy 18]

16 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Support for a second referendum gathers pace:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/12/support-grows-for-new-brexit-poll-amid-fears-pm-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

As  Mandy Rice Davis said: Well they would say that , wouldn't they?

[Lockdoctor 10]

12 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

As I said up there ^^^ checking is an intrinsically good thing to do.

 

All respectable craftsmen, or professionals check their work on a regular basis.

You're clutching at straws. 

 

It will be a bad thing for democracy in our country if the 2016 EU Referendum result is not implemented on 31st October with or without a deal.  Our country also needs to move on to give other issues the importance they deserve.

 

4 minutes ago, davyboy said:

As  Mandy Rice Davis said: Well they would say that , wouldn't they?

Very good.

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[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

As stated I don't buy your spin.

 

The only new information that Leave voters now know is that Parliament have engineered a situation to make it more difficult to implement the democratic 2016 EU Referendum result.

 

The European election results showed the desire to leave the EU hasn't lessened since 2016 otherwise the Brexit Party wouldn't have done better than what UKIP did in 2014. The truth is the undemocratic people who still want our country to remain in the EU don't care about the wishes of the people who voted to leave the EU. The truth is those undemocratic people seeking another EU referendum think the result would be different next time because they believe significant leave voters have died and new voters now old enough to vote want our country to remain in the EU. The reason that significant Leave voters have changed their minds since 2016 to justify another referendum is a deliberate red herring.

You said that people don’t want another referendum haven’t changed their mind. They have. You were wrong.

21 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

You're clutching at straws. 

 

It will be a bad thing for democracy in our country if the 2016 EU Referendum result is not implemented on 31st October.

How?

[Longcol 597]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

It will be a bad thing for democracy in our country if the 2016 EU Referendum result is not implemented on 31st October with or without a deal.  Our country also needs to move on to give other issues the importance they deserve.

 

Why the 31st October?  Very arbitrary if more negotiations are needed for a good deal with the EU like the leave campaign promised,

 

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/news.html

 

"Finally, when you are talking to people - please reassure them that after we Vote Leave, there won't be a sudden change that disrupts the economy. The day after the referendum, nothing changes legally. We will talk to our friends in Europe and discuss the best way to agree a new UK-EU relationship. We won’t rush into it. When we do make changes we will make them carefully."

 

The fact it;s taken so long is largely down to the government trying to appease the ERG and also letting the lazy so and so David Davis lead "negotiations" at the start. The people deserve better. 

 

 

 

[Lockdoctor 10]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

Why the 31st October?  Very arbitrary if more negotiations are needed for a good deal with the EU like the leave campaign promised,

 

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/news.html

 

"Finally, when you are talking to people - please reassure them that after we Vote Leave, there won't be a sudden change that disrupts the economy. The day after the referendum, nothing changes legally. We will talk to our friends in Europe and discuss the best way to agree a new UK-EU relationship. We won’t rush into it. When we do make changes we will make them carefully."

 

The fact it;s taken so long is largely down to the government trying to appease the ERG and also letting the lazy so and so David Davis lead "negotiations" at the start. The people deserve better. 

 

 

 

Let's be honest those  Politicians seeking to get Article 50 extended beyond 31st October are not doing so because they want more time to negotiate a deal with the EU.  We all know the real reason they want more time is to use it to reverse the 2016 EU Referendum result and cheat 17.4 million of their own people out of their democratic wish.