Consequences Of Brexit [Part 8] Read First Post Before Posting

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3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Only the EU decides if Ireland has a hard border imposed against its will - not the people who voted for Brexit. Or the people of Ireland for that matter.

 

The UK doesn't want a hard border in Ireland.

 

The Irish don't want a hard border in Ireland. 

 

 

So let's get rid of all the borders with Europe.

[Albert the Cat 0]

2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

But he's he's totally ignoring the fact that his constituency voted, as a majority of those who bothered to vote in the referendum, voted to leave, just as the majority of Sheffielders, who could be bothered to vote, voted to leave, just as 64% of Labour constituencies  voted to leave. 

 

How difficult is it to understand? 

 

Need a definition of a democratic vote? 

You need to understand what a representative democracy is. Our MPs are not delegates of the people. They supposed to be better qualified and informed to make a reasoned decision compared to you. 

[Pettytom 1]

7 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Only the EU decides if Ireland has a hard border imposed against its will - not the people who voted for Brexit. Or the people of Ireland for that matter.

 

The UK doesn't want a hard border in Ireland.

 

The Irish don't want a hard border in Ireland. 

 

The EU Commission President stated on Sunday when insisting upon the need for a hard border: “We have to make sure that the interests of the European Union and of the internal market will be preserved."

 

The blame rests entirely with the EU protecting the profits of the Single Market.

 

Smash the EU. By any means necessary.

 

That’s your interpretation.

 

But, as you have so much in common with Ann Widdecombe, please forgive me if I file it under “nonsense “

 

The blame is with you and the other extremist Brexiters.  You know it, you should own it. Show a bit of spine for once.

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1 hour ago, Albert the Cat said:

You need to understand what a representative democracy is. Our MPs are not delegates of the people. They supposed to be better qualified and informed to make a reasoned decision compared to you. 

No they are not supposed to be better qualified as it is open to anybody that qualifies to stand as an MP regardless of qualifications. As far as better informed.. Cameron wanted a referendum, most of the MP's then overwhelmingly voted for a referendum, they also agreed on the final result and voted overwhelmingly to trigger A50. The same MP's now having done that cannot agree on a way forward, so much for reasoned decisions!

 

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

The blame is with you and the other extremist Brexiters.  You know it, you should own it. 

No the blame lies squarley with those who pushed for a referendum and the inept MP's who went along with it without taking into account it may just be in leaves favour. They made a political gamble and it backfired on them and that is why parliament is now in a big hole they have dug for themselves.

Edited September 24, 2019 by apelike

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4 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

So **** the rest then right? In fact, just **** the poorest, the sickest and those who are likely to suffer under brexit, particularly in the event of no deal.

 

Do you think he's looked at reports or just prefers his bananas straight and his passport maroon?

The poorest and the sickest in our country have become poorer and sicker in the last decade, so our membership of the EU has not helped them.

 

The poorest and the sickest in our country voted for Brexit in their droves.  

 

Now the wealthy and healthy want to even steal that away from them because they are so used to having their own way.

 

If those that were doing very well under EU membership had given more of a thought about those that were not BEFORE the referendum, then so many might not have voted for Brexit.  

 

Hence, the poorest and the sickest are not taken in by this sudden faux interest in their wellbeing post Brexit.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Lex Luthor

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7 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Only the EU decides if Ireland has a hard border imposed against its will - not the people who voted for Brexit. Or the people of Ireland for that matter.

 

The UK doesn't want a hard border in Ireland.

 

The Irish don't want a hard border in Ireland. 

 

The EU Commission President stated on Sunday when insisting upon the need for a hard border: “We have to make sure that the interests of the European Union and of the internal market will be preserved."

 

The blame rests entirely with the EU protecting the profits of the Single Market.

 

Smash the EU. By any means necessary.

 

Pathetic - you own the bloody problem, don’t run away from the responsibility. Your vote and incessant misinformed campaigning is responsible for this mess.

 

now make sure that your representatives in parliament begin to own their problem as well, because none of them seem to want it.

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11 hours ago, Car Boot said:

purely to protect the interests (private profits) of capitalists 

Well, at least partly because it's the law.

 

We were all told that leaving the EU would likely lead to border controls on the island of Ireland. In line with world trade laws.

 

But the leave campaign dismissed those warnings as 'project fear' and promised another unicorn.

 

You lot voted for this, but in typical Brexit fashion it's now someone else's fault.

Edited September 24, 2019 by ads36

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8 hours ago, Car Boot said:

Only the EU decides if Ireland has a hard border imposed against its will - not the people who voted for Brexit. Or the people of Ireland for that matter.

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Err, no. Each of Ireland and the UK decides, actually: a border has two sides, or has that rather obvious factoid passed you by?

 

Ireland knows perfectly well which side of its socio-economic toast is best buttered -the European membetship side- and it has always known, since June 2016 and then particularly since March 2017, that unless the UK cancels Brexit or achieves a soft EEA/SM Brexit (even if only concerning NI, which was the UK's first withdrawal agreement version and which the EU accepted, until the DUP made May extend it UK-wide, which the EU again accepted), reestablishing a border is inevitable.

 

Likewise the rest of the EU27 who, unlike Brexiteers, understand the interrelationship between country borders and international trade, and the rather special setup achieved by the EU with its Single Market, perfectly well. Hence the NI border issue, as one of the EU's 3 fundamental topics of negotiations for the withdrawal, from the very moment the UK trigerred Art.50.

 

Ireland has been preparing for reestablishing that border since June 2016. But you won't find detailed plans published, because that would only be spun by Brexiteers in their blame-everybody game. 

 

Now the UK is perfectly entitled to wave its own requirement to reestablish border controls in NI, to continue playing party politics and the blame game. But then your problem is that the UK can't then reestablish border controls anywhere else, in application of the WTO MFN principle.

 

Under that course of action, firstly there's no need for any country to sign any FTA with the UK, because its borders are wide open and free for the crossing (as recently explained by Canada, as the reason why they are refusing to even discuss a deal with the UK at this time: with Johnson pro-no deal 'do or die' position, they might as well wait and see). Secondly, your domestic manufacturing and agrifood industries, opened wide and naked to unbridled global competition from the US and the BRICs, would be killed off inside 12 to 18 months, making the UK still more subservient to the whims of globalist companies and third party countries' own interests.

 

You feeling ashamed of your simplistic dog whistling yet? (for the avoidance of doubt, given your cognitive capacity as demonstrated in your posts to date, I'm quietly confident that you're not )

Edited September 24, 2019 by L00b

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9 hours ago, Car Boot said:

 

Smash the EU. By any means necessary.

 

Sounds a lot like proposing armed insurrection and sedition to me...

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Time for another referendum based on a show of hands.

Keir Starmer and Ian Duncan Smith to adjudicate.

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2 hours ago, Obelix said:

Sounds a lot like proposing armed insurrection and sedition to me...

He won't be able to get off the couch, keyboard warrior, schoolboy socialist

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4 hours ago, L00b said:

Err, no. Each of Ireland and the UK decides, actually: a border has two sides, or has that rather obvious factoid passed you by?

 

The UK has decided that it doesn't want any hard border with Eire. 

 

Eire has decided that it doesn't want a hard border with the UK.

 

The EU has stated that a hard border in Ireland must be erected to protect the interests of the internal market.

 

People Before Profit. NO to an EU border in Ireland. NO to an EU Army.