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Shechita & Halal. Identifiable On All Meat & Meat Products Yes/No.

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12 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Venison will be on a par with Rabbit I would guess, very little fat on it, but delicious indeed.  The liver thinly sliced and lightly cooked knocks farmed animal liver into a cocked hat.

 

Angel1.

Now, I do like a bit of venison.

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3 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Now, I do like a bit of venison.

We do agree on something then.

 

Angel1

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On 09/08/2019 at 19:17, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Just a point of order, post title - 

Shechita & Halal. Identifiable On All Meat & Meat Products Yes/No.

Take note of the title, especially the first two words. Shechita & Halal. Not one word in defence of Shechita slaughter, 8 pages in defence of Halal. Speaks volumes don't you think. Both abhorent acts, both should be banned as inhumane acts on animals.

 

Angel1.

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Might be because Shechita is different to halal in terms of stunning you see. Theres no stunning of game in the wild either and they don't die as fast as either shechita or halal, stunned or not.

 

But I'm sure that you will read into it your usual anti Islam stance...

 

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2 hours ago, Obelix said:

Might be because Shechita is different to halal in terms of stunning you see. Theres no stunning of game in the wild either and they don't die as fast as either shechita or halal, stunned or not.

 

But I'm sure that you will read into it your usual anti Islam stance...

 

Another load of tripe, you must be a terrible marksman if your shot deer take longer to die than a throat slit unstunned cow.

 

I see only you referring to my abhorrence of Halal as  "your usual anti Islam stance" as I list with it Shechita, both acts from the dark ages, we have moved on, this is 2019 not 1719.  I have contacted my MP for the third time over unstunned slaughter, if I get the usual "Religious reason" by return I will no doubt be contacting her again, sooner than later. It must end.

 

Angel1.

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1 minute ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Another load of tripe, you must be a terrible marksman if your shot deer take longer to die than a throat slit unstunned cow.

 

I see only you referring to my abhorrence of Halal as  "your usual anti Islam stance" as I list with it Shechita, both acts from the dark ages, we have moved on, this is 2019 not 1719.  I have contacted my MP for the third time over unstunned slaughter, if I get the usual "Religious reason" by return I will no doubt be contacting her again, sooner than later. It must end.

 

Angel1.

Well I wasnt going to call you out on it but you said that you were taking brain shots at deer earlier.

 

You are so wrong on that it's untrue - and if you are in fact shooting in such a cavalier fashion with so little disregard for your quarry you don't deserve to hold a firearms ticket. If you actually hunted deer, which from your comments I'm fairly certain now you don't you'd be aware of how long it can take to bleed out. It's slower than a sudden incision to the neck as the MAP doesnt fall anywhere near as fast.

 

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Islamic slaughter is in the dark ages I personally agree that it should be banned as animal cruelty but where can you draw the line? Chickens hung upside down on a conveyer belt to be beheaded and plucked and gutted is not exactly un cruel is it!!!! 

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13 minutes ago, gaz 786 said:

Islamic slaughter is in the dark ages I personally agree that it should be banned as animal cruelty but where can you draw the line? Chickens hung upside down on a conveyer belt to be beheaded and plucked and gutted is not exactly un cruel is it!!!! 

No it's not.

Under Islam it is necessary as it is also for Jews, to ensure blood is drained out of the animal.

 

Germs and bacteria etc form in blood.

Muslims are forbidden to consume blood or eat animals which are dead (before slaughter).

 

I often visit one particular store in Dewsbury which serves Halal meat to non Muslims- many of them happy to see cleaner meat and some comment on finding it tastier/healthier due to how it is cleansed.

 

As reminder majority of abatoirs serving a Halal offering, stun the animals.

 

It's the Jewish law that doesn't allow any stunning.

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6 minutes ago, Mr Fisk said:

I often visit one particular store in Dewsbury which serves Halal meat to non Muslims- many of them happy to see cleaner meat and some comment on finding it tastier/healthier due to how it is cleansed.

Putting aside  any animal welfare concerns for a moment, I have always found religiously slaughtered meat to be of much higher quality that the average meat sold in supermarkets (and some butchers)

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3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Putting aside  any animal welfare concerns for a moment, I have always found religiously slaughtered meat to be of much higher quality that the average meat sold in supermarkets (and some butchers)

Not that I've Eaten any meat for a few decades but.....animal welfare has been mentioned by Tv chefs stressed animals does affects a meats quality.

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1 hour ago, Mr Fisk said:

A quote from the above.

 

" Vets say unstunned cattle take about 20 seconds (but up to 2 minutes) to lose consciousness, sheep six or seven seconds (but up to 20) and poultry seven or eight seconds, but all these times can be far longer.

Some European countries, most recently Denmark, have banned slaughter without pre-stunning. The RSPCA and British Veterinary Association are among the groups calling for an end to slaughter without pre-stunning – a move that would mean an end to religious exemptions from European and UK legislation on this element of slaughtering, and also, say campaigners, an end to unnecessary suffering.

Campaigners are urging the government to introduce clear labelling to say whether meat is slaughtered by halal methods – an issue which the European Union is already studying. Some Muslims warn that there must be an information campaign beforehand and those who are against any stunning question why, if labelling on the halal method is necessary, why is not for animals slaughtered in other ways, by captive-bolt gun, gassing, electrocution, drowning or "mis-stunning"

 

Angel1

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4 hours ago, Obelix said:

Well I wasnt going to call you out on it but you said that you were taking brain shots at deer earlier.

 

You are so wrong on that it's untrue - and if you are in fact shooting in such a cavalier fashion with so little disregard for your quarry you don't deserve to hold a firearms ticket. If you actually hunted deer, which from your comments I'm fairly certain now you don't you'd be aware of how long it can take to bleed out. It's slower than a sudden incision to the neck as the MAP doesnt fall anywhere near as fast.

 

To address your above post.

 

Never have I stated I head shot ANY species of deer. Provide the quote where I state I do. Otherwise I expect you to apologies immediately for this "  Well I wasnt going to call you out on it but you said that you were taking brain shots at deer earlier. "

 

I was part of a stalking syndicate in Scotland for many years, our Letting agent was Scottish Woodlands. Some of the Forests we shot over were, Barmark, Auchenhey, Drumhumphry Whiteside, Loch Crongart, Drumwhirn. I came over this while looking around our old shooting grounds. I was part of the working party who erected this, many happy memories here.  I remember as if it was yesterday shooting a Roe from this high seat, about 110 yds away, I marked 100 and 200 yds with sticks the day before to assist distance and accuracy of any shot taken. We had old well knackered caravans in the forests for overnight sleeping. But they are another story.

 

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2608529

 

Just to add, the inner forest road around Auchenhey was 3 miles round, its outer boundary must have been closer to 10.

 

I have also retained paperwork relating to the shooting over the mentioned forests, if you dispute my shooting credentials further I will scan and upload them, and watch you eat more humble pie.

 

Angel1.

 

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