Shechita & Halal. Identifiable On All Meat & Meat Products Yes/No.

[Guest makapaka]

6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I suspect that they are the same people who are passive about child sex abuse but incandescent about child sex abuse when carried out by Pakistani men.

Exactly.

 

The same people on the other thread who somehow manage to bring Muslims into a thread about a homophobic bus driver.

8 minutes ago, Halibut said:

If anyone is really committed to minimising  animal cruelty they'd just stop eating animals - anything short of that is just arguing about the minutiae.

Absolutely.

[Branyy 10]

8 hours ago, Halibut said:

If anyone is really committed to minimising  animal cruelty they'd just stop eating animals - anything short of that is just arguing about the minutiae.

No. Absolutely irrelevant. I don't have  to be a vegetarian/vegan to be concerned about animal cruelty.

It's as stupid as claiming vegetarians/vegans don't have the right to criticize bad farming practice.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Branyy

[Branyy 10]

8 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I suspect that they are the same people who are passive about child sex abuse but incandescent about child sex abuse when carried out by Pakistani men.

Well, if certain groups are over-represented in these actions they deserve some extra attention. Whether that is child abuse, animal cruelty...

[Robin-H 11]

8 hours ago, makapaka said:

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said.

 

 But why are people passive about Uk slaughter rules but incandescent about halal slaughter rules?

What parts do you disagree with? 

 

I suspect some of it comes down to a) not understanding that the majority of halal slaughter uses stunning, and b) having an unrealistic view of how slaughterhouses operate generally. 

[melthebell 862]

1 hour ago, Branyy said:

Well, if certain groups are over-represented in these actions they deserve some extra attention. Whether that is child abuse, animal cruelty...

most peados and groomers are white and almost all are male

[Branyy 10]

4 minutes ago, melthebell said:

most peados and groomers are white and almost all are male

Do you have any source? I don't think I've ever seen some real numbers.

And still, this is certainly not true for subset of gang-related grooming.

Anyway, this is a discussion for another time, we should stay on topic.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Branyy

[Halibut 12]

11 minutes ago, Branyy said:

Do you have any source? I don't think I've ever seen some real numbers.

And still, this is certainly not true for subset of gang-related grooming.

Anyway, this is a discussion for another time, we should stay on topic.

It's self evident. Most sexual abuse occurs within families, most is committed by men, the overwhelming majority of families are white in the UK, therefore the majority of sexual abuse is committed by white men.

[Branyy 10]

24 minutes ago, Halibut said:

It's self evident. Most sexual abuse occurs within families, most is committed by men, the overwhelming majority of families are white in the UK, therefore the majority of sexual abuse is committed by white men.

So you don't have any.

 

Any relevant comments on meat production and animal cruelty? 

Edited August 16, 2019 by Branyy

[Halibut 12]

2 hours ago, Branyy said:

So you don't have any.

 

Any relevant comments on meat production and animal cruelty? 

Sure. You can't have large scale meat production without cruelty to animals. If you really care about animals, don't eat them.

[Branyy 10]

3 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Sure. You can't have large scale meat production without cruelty to animals. If you really care about animals, don't eat them.

That's false. And I've also given you counter example above.

And just for you, I'll add another one - Amputation will always cause trauma to the patients. So let's perform that without anesthesia because patients will suffer anyway.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Branyy

[DnAuK 10]

2 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Sure. You can't have large scale meat production without cruelty to animals. If you really care about animals, don't eat them.

What about dairy? Can you have that without animal cruelty?

[Halibut 12]

11 minutes ago, DnAuK said:

What about dairy? Can you have that without animal cruelty?

Seems unlikely. I still consume dairy products though.