Sheffield Bus Network Changes - September 2019

[Andy C 85]

problem is - was it well used by paying passengers or pensioners on free rides? I got the impression most commuters used the 95.

 

I assume by the road names you are talking about the 31. Monday to Friday daytime this bus was operated by SCT as a commercial venture, not a tendered service operated with a public subsidy under contract to SYPTE (the evening and weekend buses operated by Stagecoach were tendered).

 

The 31 proved in the end no longer financially viable to operate commercially, pushed over the edge when SCT lost various tendered contracts that shared resource with the 31.

 

The only way to replace the 31 in its previous form is for SYPTE to find funding to subsidise it and put a tender out. Unfortunately SYPTE has no money to do so. Their budget situation, as with much of the public sector, means cuts, not additional services.

 

They've done what they can - divert the more main line bus routes 52a (Wisewood/Loxley area) and 135 (Upperthorpe/Langsett area) to cover parts of the old 31/31b, but the roads are too narrow for big buses in most of the Walkley area, so it really needs a dedicated minibus route.

 

Unfortunately I think this is the start of the brown stuff hitting the fan with the attitude of the politicians to public transport. They are happy to loudly criticise how the private companies run the commercial routes  (at their own financial risk) and demand more buses, investment in new buses and also low fares whilst at the same time not doing anything about traffic congestion, not investing enough in infrastructure (bus lanes, bus gates, bus stops, impartial information/publicity etc) and underfunding the tendered bus network and concessionary fares schemes. So keep hassling your councillors and MPs.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Andy C

[catmiss 12]

What I don’t understand is why re-route 135, which are largely double decker, down narrow, double parked, steep Whitehouse Rd onto Burgoyne Rd rather than down the wider Whitehouse Lane onto Burgoyne Rd. 135 will not run this route for long- it’ll have to come off in bad weather and in the first week they got stuck trying to pass one another. They’ll be under used because they are always late (40 mins on an hourly service) having such a long route to negotiate and don’t go where people want to go. 

[Andy C 85]

Bus 1 to High Green...

 

Stagecoach have introduced a later last bus to High Green and an earlier first bus from High Green from 9th September following customer feedback. These replace other operators services that were withdrawn from 1st September.

 

- Mon-Sat The 23:00 Jordanthorpe to Chapeltown (23:30 at Arundel Gate) is now extended to High Green.

- Mon-Fri an extra bus is being laid on from High Green to Jordanthorpe at 05:03

- Saturday the 05:10 Chapeltown to Jordanthorpe is extended back to start from High Green at 04:58

 

See www.travelsouthyorkshire.com to download the updated timetable PDF.

[lazarus 68]

Just when are they going to sort out the destination board on the new 11A , it shows the destination Heeley when it's going up to Herdings, seems every time the driver tries to type in Herdings it's Heeley that appears. Two old dears in Cumberland St on Monday wanted to go up Leighton Rd so when the bus did eventually arrive with Heeley on it they didn't get on as they rightly assumed it was only going to Heeley.

On  Monday around twelve people were waiting for the 11A on Leighton Rd, the  09:31 bus was missing, a bus did arrive at 09:43 but because nobody put their hand out it went straight past, we don't have another bus on Leighton Rd so just what did the driver think we were waiting for? he did wait at the next stop around 150. yards away but only the younger end of us waiting could run down to catch it, result we were waiting over 40 minutes for a bus. Surely the words Bus Stop and not Request Stop means it should stop. The driver was an idiot.

[Andy C 85]

3 hours ago, lazarus said:

Just when are they going to sort out the destination board on the new 11A , it shows the destination Heeley when it's going up to Herdings, seems every time the driver tries to type in Herdings it's Heeley that appears. Two old dears in Cumberland St on Monday wanted to go up Leighton Rd so when the bus did eventually arrive with Heeley on it they didn't get on as they rightly assumed it was only going to Heeley.

On  Monday around twelve people were waiting for the 11A on Leighton Rd, the  09:31 bus was missing, a bus did arrive at 09:43 but because nobody put their hand out it went straight past, we don't have another bus on Leighton Rd so just what did the driver think we were waiting for? he did wait at the next stop around 150. yards away but only the younger end of us waiting could run down to catch it, result we were waiting over 40 minutes for a bus. Surely the words Bus Stop and not Request Stop means it should stop. The driver was an idiot.

outside London, all bus stops are request stops (except the terminus). People wait for buses, not the other way around, they have a timetable to keep!

 

But yes, having the correct destination advertised is something of a basic they have failed on!

 

Incidentally, apparently Powells bus on the 10/10a have spelt Heeley wrong (Healey!) on their destination blinds.

[lazarus 68]

4 hours ago, Andy C said:

outside London, all bus stops are request stops (except the terminus). People wait for buses, not the other way around, they have a timetable to keep!

 

But yes, having the correct destination advertised is something of a basic they have failed on!

 

Incidentally, apparently Powells bus on the 10/10a have spelt Heeley wrong (Healey!) on their destination blinds.

Surely seeing a bus stop full of people on a fine morning must give a hint that they are waiting for a bus, that in itself must dispense with putting your hand out.

[Andy C 85]

55 minutes ago, lazarus said:

Surely seeing a bus stop full of people on a fine morning must give a hint that they are waiting for a bus, that in itself must dispense with putting your hand out.

the system is you request the bus to stop, if you don't it doesn't! Some stops are served by more than one route, the driver cannot assume you want his bus in that case and the passengers on board won't appreciate being delayed by unnecessary stops!

[taxman 12]

3 hours ago, lazarus said:

Surely seeing a bus stop full of people on a fine morning must give a hint that they are waiting for a bus, that in itself must dispense with putting your hand out.

I used to  get so infuriated by people waiting for the 95 opposite the Cathedral...OK they'd probably been waiting over 30 minutes for their 95 so may have fallen asleep or drifted off but there have been a lot of times when I've been at the back of the queue and have rudely (and justifiably) shouted at people to put their bloomin arms out if they want the bus. Or I've simply run to the front of the queue and done it myself.

 

After a couple of weeks of decent service from the new 95..another 30 minute wait tonight.

[Guest busdriver1]

12 hours ago, lazarus said:

Just when are they going to sort out the destination board on the new 11A , it shows the destination Heeley when it's going up to Herdings, seems every time the driver tries to type in Herdings it's Heeley that appears.

 

 Surely the words Bus Stop and not Request Stop means it should stop.

 

The driver was an idiot.

The drivers do not type in the destinations, they are pre-set by the operator and he selects from what there is.

 

As stated, there are no compulsory stops inside or outside london, the difference is that in London they still choose to observe these stops that were put in  near water troughs to let the horse have a drink. I believe even in |London this is no longer needed.

 

So 12 passengers wait for a bus and cant be arsed to put their hands out for it and the drivers an idiot?   They could be waiting to meet someone getting off a bus or waiting to go on a coach trip or any other amount of things. The majority of drivers I have met are not very good at mind reading. Try meeting them halfway eh?

4 hours ago, lazarus said:

Surely seeing a bus stop full of people on a fine morning must give a hint that they are waiting for a bus, that in itself must dispense with putting your hand out.

Is it really such a hardship to raise an arm? 

9 hours ago, Andy C said:

Incidentally, apparently Powells bus on the 10/10a have spelt Heeley wrong (Healey!) on their destination blinds.

Not to mention MANNER TOP😂😂😂😂

[lazarus 68]

Why bring an  question like that , it's nothing to do with hardship the driver should have stopped its as simple as that and before someone brings  OAPs into it nine of the passengers were going to work.

[lazarus 68]

So Busdriver 1, how many times have you seen twelve people waiting to meet someone alight from a bus, which again is a stupid statement, coaches have never ever stopped there, mind reading! more like he should have a scan to see if he's got a mind, were you the driver?

By the way I've found out since a young woman going to work did put out her hand and quite rightly she's made a complaint as she lost an hours pay.

[Michael_N 36]

15 hours ago, lazarus said:

Just when are they going to sort out the destination board on the new 11A , it shows the destination Heeley when it's going up to Herdings, seems every time the driver tries to type in Herdings it's Heeley that appears. Two old dears in Cumberland St on Monday wanted to go up Leighton Rd so when the bus did eventually arrive with Heeley on it they didn't get on as they rightly assumed it was only going to Heeley.

On  Monday around twelve people were waiting for the 11A on Leighton Rd, the  09:31 bus was missing, a bus did arrive at 09:43 but because nobody put their hand out it went straight past, we don't have another bus on Leighton Rd so just what did the driver think we were waiting for? he did wait at the next stop around 150. yards away but only the younger end of us waiting could run down to catch it, result we were waiting over 40 minutes for a bus. Surely the words Bus Stop and not Request Stop means it should stop. The driver was an idiot.

How exactly is the driver an idiot? 12 people waiting for a bus and no one sticks their arm out - so quite rightly so the bus didn't stop.