State Schools Raising Additional Money Is A Problem Now?

[Albert the Cat 0]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jul/14/wealthy-parents-stoke-school-divide

 

Why is this a really a problem? Surely ANY additional money to a state school is welcome in any circumstance? 

Edited July 14, 2019 by Albert the Cat

[Staunton 18]

The neoliberals are jubilant every time a volunteer takes over and cleans a station platform while the tax abusing train operators shovel their profits offshore. And any and every time an individual gives to charity the neoliberals howl with laughter at our gullibility. 'Look' they say, 'the poor saps will fork out on top of the taxes they pay, the suckers, so let's cut harder, and then we can give even bigger tax cuts to our millionaire friends. 

 

If you want public services, tax is the central component. And equity demands a fair system, not one where schools are dependent on the local community to prop up the failures brought about by greedy politicians in the South East.

 

Local schools in poor areas are also vulnerable to entrenched inequality. The good people living in the catchment areas if High Storrs and Tapton could afford to donate more than those around Handsworth Grange or  Chaucer. This leads to further advantage in the more affluent localities while marginalised communities suffer yet more inequality.

 

Our services, health, education, social care, transport, law and order, must be funded by the taxes we pay. And the tax loopholes that PriceWaterhouseCooper have written into HMRC policy must be closed in order that we can all flourish as a community.

 

A functioning society is based on robust tax law, fully enforced, not charity and volunteers.

 

 

[spilldig 188]

21 minutes ago, Staunton said:

The neoliberals are jubilant every time a volunteer takes over and cleans a station platform while the tax abusing train operators shovel their profits offshore. And any and every time an individual gives to charity the neoliberals howl with laughter at our gullibility. 'Look' they say, 'the poor saps will fork out on top of the taxes they pay, the suckers, so let's cut harder, and then we can give even bigger tax cuts to our millionaire friends. 

 

If you want public services, tax is the central component. And equity demands a fair system, not one where schools are dependent on the local community to prop up the failures brought about by greedy politicians in the South East.

 

Local schools in poor areas are also vulnerable to entrenched inequality. The good people living in the catchment areas if High Storrs and Tapton could afford to donate more than those around Handsworth Grange or  Chaucer. This leads to further advantage in the more affluent localities while marginalised communities suffer yet more inequality.

 

Our services, health, education, social care, transport, law and order, must be funded by the taxes we pay. And the tax loopholes that PriceWaterhouseCooper have written into HMRC policy must be closed in order that we can all flourish as a community.

 

A functioning society is based on robust tax law, fully enforced, not charity and volunteers.

 

 

Bang on Staunton.

[Albert the Cat 0]

So you would ban schools from raising additional money?

 

I can’t see a problem with parents wanting to contribute for the betterment of their respective school. 

 

Your idea of fairness is interesting. Can’t it be argued that if a heavier tax burden was introduced to increase the funding of schools that the proportion of the increase in school funding  should correspond to where the majority of money was raised from this hypothetical taxation?

[Mister Gee 823]

8 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jul/14/wealthy-parents-stoke-school-divide

 

Why is this a really a problem? Surely ANY additional money to a state school is welcome in any circumstance? 

Are you part of that TaxPayers Alliance mob?

[Staunton 18]

3 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

I can’t see a problem with parents wanting to contribute for the betterment of their respective school. 

And those schools in marginalised communities, where parents are struggling to pay the rent and the bills, they can just slip further behind?

 

We either show respect for all children, wherever they are born and grow up, or we carry on towards further entrenchment of inequality and injustice.

[Albert the Cat 0]

5 hours ago, Staunton said:

And those schools in marginalised communities, where parents are struggling to pay the rent and the bills, they can just slip further behind?

 

We either show respect for all children, wherever they are born and grow up, or we carry on towards further entrenchment of inequality and injustice.

You are arguing for the wrong thing then. It isn’t parent contributions that is your fundamental issue, it is the funding of schools by local government. Therefore, blame that and not parents who actually care. 

[Pettytom 1]

5 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

You are arguing for the wrong thing then. It isn’t parent contributions that is your fundamental issue, it is the funding of schools by local government. Therefore, blame that and not parents who actually care. 

It is the funding of schools that is the problem. That much is clear from the number of schools in serious debt.

 

You can’t really blame local government though. The blame lies squarely with this hapless Tory administration that we are all having to suffer.

[alchresearch 214]

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

It is the funding of schools that is the problem. That much is clear from the number of schools in serious debt.

How much of that debt, though, is due to Labour's disastrous BSF programme?

 

Toxic PFI legacy is pushing schools towards financial ruin

Cash-strapped schools are being pushed into financial ruin by soaring debts owed to the private firms that funded their buildings

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/toxic-pfi-bills-cripple-schools/

[Staunton 18]

7 hours ago, Albert the Cat said:

You are arguing for the wrong thing then. It isn’t parent contributions that is your fundamental issue, it is the funding of schools by local government. Therefore, blame that and not parents who actually care. 

It appears Albert the Cat is arguing that parents who cannot afford to pay extra on top of the taxes they pay don't care about their children.

 

Every pound donated to a state school is a pound's worth of cuts to the public sector budget as the cynical tories howl with laughter and proclaim 'You see, they can pay for their own services! So, we can cut more from the education budget and then set even lower taxes for millionaires! And nobody suffers. Well, no one that matters'

 

That's desperately needed resources for our poorest communities diverted into the pockets of the rich.

 

29 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

How much of that debt, though, is due to Labour's disastrous BSF programme?

 

Toxic PFI legacy is pushing schools towards financial ruin

Cash-strapped schools are being pushed into financial ruin by soaring debts owed to the private firms that funded their buildings

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/toxic-pfi-bills-cripple-schools/

alchresearch is quite right to point out that the neoliberal agenda pursued by Tony Blair's New Labour

played a part in impoverishing the public sector with their PFI scandal.

[alchresearch 214]

I worked in the education sector during the BSF boom, I could tell you some real horror stories about the consultants who saw the UK with a bulging purse where anything was no object because the government would be picking up the tab.

 

 

 

 

[Janus 28]

On 14/07/2019 at 11:35, Albert the Cat said:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jul/14/wealthy-parents-stoke-school-divide

 

Why is this a really a problem? Surely ANY additional money to a state school is welcome in any circumstance? 

According to your link, the problem is that schools in poorer areas are not able to raise much in respect of additional funds.