Jo Brand - Hate Speech vs Free Speech

[Guest makapaka]

12 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

So it's the target that matters rather than the joke? Presumably the BBC would be ok for people to joke about attacks on left wing politicians too then. What about a racist joke about a politician? Would that be worse than a joke about permanently disfiguring and potentially killing one? Who makes these ground rules? 

Context.

[Michael_W 11]

On ‎15‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 12:53, Pettytom said:

Is this the same Marti Caine who specialised in racist jokes?

 

Give me Jo Brand any day. Caine’s act was  often revolting

Almost every comedian in the 70s made what would now be regarded as racist jokes, you can include comedians like Charlie Williams and later Lenny Henry too, get some perspective !

[Pettytom 1]

1 hour ago, Michael_W said:

Almost every comedian in the 70s made what would now be regarded as racist jokes, you can include comedians like Charlie Williams and later Lenny Henry too, get some perspective !

Why do those two give perspective?

 

Did they join Marti in the telling **** jokes club?

[WalkleyIan 10]

How about grapevine magazine's "joke" about stringing razor wire to decapitate cyclists?

 

Free speech, poor taste, or incitement to do harm?

 

https://kofthep.com/2019/06/16/i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine-sorry-marvin/

 

[Penistone999 10]

Some people in society really need to get a life and stop being " offended " every time someone says something controversial  .

[AMR67 10]

The BBC obviously didn't think that Jo Brands comment was offensive, the programme is prerecorded and edited to fit into the timeslot. The editors must have thought it was OK to leave in.

[WalkleyIan 10]

2 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

Some people in society really need to get a life and stop being " offended " every time someone says something controversial  .

These all offend me.  I believe the grapevine article about stringing barbed wire across cycle routes has now been reported to the police 

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/stretford-dad-scarred-life-after-11616764

 

https://metro.co.uk/2016/11/14/cyclist-almost-decapitated-after-barbed-wire-is-strung-across-bike-lane-6257899/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/barbed-wire-boobytrap-discovered-at-throat-height-by-cyclist-on-footpath-a6928561.html

[woolyhead 15]

On ‎12‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 21:40, Penistone999 said:

Free speech 

Perhaps 'free speech' is just a generic title but that within it there are cases which are hate speech. It is not stated anywhere (so far as I know), that ALL examples of free speech  can be freely uttered and without redress even if they come under the general heading of "free speech." Nothing is 100% perfect.

[crookesjoe 10]

Danny Baker and Jo Brand were treated using different standards. It was hypocritical.

 

Danny Baker wasn't being racist imo, I saw his tweet and my first instinct was never to link a picture of a monkey to race.

 

Strange how all the outraged people seem to be so ready to link a monkey to race. That speaks volumes to me.

 

Jo Brand made a crappy comment imo, but my opinion doesnt matter. She should be free to make any joke she wants in a free society.

[Cyclone 10]

Is it strange?  You've never seen reports of football 'fans' making monkey noises at black players, or similar?