Queens Rd Traffic Scheme

[spuddly 10]

30 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

No.

 

Amey have priced for maintaining the street infrastructure as it was at the time they signed the contract.

 

The tidal flow system is essentially obsolete and is costly for them to maintain.

 

Amey have come up with the proposals to make changes to how traffic is managed in that area (ie remove the tidal flow system), because it will be cheaper for them to maintain in the long run.  So, Amey will pay all the costs of removing the existing system and installing the new system. It will cost the Council nothing.

The Council also benefits because when  street infrastructure is replaced by some that is less costly to maintain, the difference in cost is taken off the annual maintenance payments to Amey. So, the report says the Council will save circa £250k over the remainder of the Amey contract (about 20 years).

 

It appears they have modeled the new setup and journey times through the area will remain as they are now.

Sorry, can't see how this will leave journey times the same as they are now for outwards bound traffic at rush hour. Currently there are three lanes for outward bound traffic at rush hour, first lane is for traffic going up Chesterfield Rd, second is for Broadfield Rd and third is for Wolseley Rd. These plans will mean the first lane will be for both Chesterfield Rd & Broadfield Rd, which will lengthen the queuing time in that lane. As for the Wolseley Rd lane,  there will be vehicles in that lane queue jumping  by trying to cut into the other lane and so blocking that lane for those vehicles going up Wolseley Rd - this already happens when the system runs on two lane. 

 

When Amey took on the contract they did so know the contraflow system was in place and their quote should surely have included the cost of maintaining it, not scrapping it for something cheaper?

[BigAl1 143]

Do the lights for the buses and taxis coming down London Road still turn to green when there are no buses and taxis?

[Planner1 437]

4 hours ago, spuddly said:

Sorry, can't see how this will leave journey times the same as they are now for outwards bound traffic at rush hour. Currently there are three lanes for outward bound traffic at rush hour, first lane is for traffic going up Chesterfield Rd, second is for Broadfield Rd and third is for Wolseley Rd. These plans will mean the first lane will be for both Chesterfield Rd & Broadfield Rd, which will lengthen the queuing time in that lane. As for the Wolseley Rd lane,  there will be vehicles in that lane queue jumping  by trying to cut into the other lane and so blocking that lane for those vehicles going up Wolseley Rd - this already happens when the system runs on two lane. 

 

When Amey took on the contract they did so know the contraflow system was in place and their quote should surely have included the cost of maintaining it, not scrapping it for something cheaper?

They're doing improvements to the Wolsey Rd junction. Modelling results say journey times stay the same.

 

Of course they knew it was there and priced for it. However, you can't expect them to continue to leave something n place that is obsolete and at the end of its life. The contract says they have to replace it at some point and if they can get the same results with a different approach, it is entirely within the contractual obligations for them to ask the Council to allow them to do that. There's a saving for both parties and the end result is the same, so why would you not go ahead?

[Penistone999 10]

5 hours ago, Planner1 said:

No.

 

Amey have priced for maintaining the street infrastructure as it was at the time they signed the contract.

 

The tidal flow system is essentially obsolete and is costly for them to maintain.

 

Amey have come up with the proposals to make changes to how traffic is managed in that area (ie remove the tidal flow system), because it will be cheaper for them to maintain in the long run.  So, Amey will pay all the costs of removing the existing system and installing the new system. It will cost the Council nothing.

The Council also benefits because when  street infrastructure is replaced by some that is less costly to maintain, the difference in cost is taken off the annual maintenance payments to Amey. So, the report says the Council will save circa £250k over the remainder of the Amey contract (about 20 years).

 

It appears they have modeled the new setup and journey times through the area will remain as they are now.

Extremely slow ? 

[Astonblade 10]

7 hours ago, Planner1 said:

It appears they have modeled the new setup and journey times through the area will remain as they are now.

What could possibly go wrong !!!

[Longcol 600]

8 hours ago, spuddly said:

Sorry, can't see how this will leave journey times the same as they are now for outwards bound traffic at rush hour. Currently there are three lanes for outward bound traffic at rush hour, first lane is for traffic going up Chesterfield Rd, second is for Broadfield Rd and third is for Wolseley Rd. These plans will mean the first lane will be for both Chesterfield Rd & Broadfield Rd, which will lengthen the queuing time in that lane.

Why does it mean that?

 

The n/s lane could be Chesterfield Road only seeing it is the direction most of the traffic is heading.

[*_ash_* 88]

9 hours ago, Planner1 said:

No.

 

Amey have priced for maintaining the street infrastructure as it was at the time they signed the contract.

 

The tidal flow system is essentially obsolete and is costly for them to maintain.

 

Amey have come up with the proposals to make changes to how traffic is managed in that area (ie remove the tidal flow system), because it will be cheaper for them to maintain in the long run.  So, Amey will pay all the costs of removing the existing system and installing the new system. It will cost the Council nothing.

The Council also benefits because when  street infrastructure is replaced by some that is less costly to maintain, the difference in cost is taken off the annual maintenance payments to Amey. So, the report says the Council will save circa £250k over the remainder of the Amey contract (about 20 years).

 

It appears they have modeled the new setup and journey times through the area will remain as they are now.

OK thanks P1 for the answer. This bold is interesting too.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Astonblade said:

What could possibly go wrong !!!

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

Why does it mean that?

 

The n/s lane could be Chesterfield Road only seeing it is the direction most of the traffic is heading.

Yes, we could do with a picture of the layout. There aren't any pictures on the link, or the link in the link. I can't be bothered to try and find it though. I'm sure it's in some SCC file somewhere.

[Longcol 600]

57 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

Yes, we could do with a picture of the layout. There aren't any pictures on the link, or the link in the link. I can't be bothered to try and find it though. I'm sure it's in some SCC file somewhere.

Yes - I looked for one as well but no joy. I see that it was approved by the council back in February - good to see the Star being up to date with the news.

[Fudbeer 12]

One of their few road systems that works so they get rid!

 

I don't understand how what is effectively a timed arrow/cross over a lane can be that expensive to maintain.

[amazon123 17]

I thought part of this plan involved the demoliiton of the stretch of buildings running down the left side of the road as you head towards the city centre and then road widening. Is that not happening?

[bassett one 451]

it ruined a great shopping centre when it was done,but times change i expect

[dirend 10]

4 hours ago, Fudbeer said:

One of their few road systems that works so they get rid!

 

I don't understand how what is effectively a timed arrow/cross over a lane can be that expensive to maintain.

Exactly! I dread to think what mess is going to be made here when this is altered.

I drive along this stretch of road numerous times a week and never have any problems, I can't even remember the last time it wasn't working properly but hey ho in Amey and the council we trust 😐.

Fingers crossed our journey times will remain the same, I do hope so.