staninoodle   175 #37 Posted January 1, 2020 On 23/12/2019 at 18:56, Daven said: A slap on the wrists - that's all these boys were given really. It's disgusting that they have been sent to school to learn about diversity - laughable if it wasn't so tragic. No suprise really,the prisons are full to busting,community service is now the back up and overloaded and cant cope,most offenders get an on spot caution or the courts hand out minimals. Some kid got five years for a stabbing another lad to death a few weeks back,FIVE YEARS! How long before its an on the spot fine? Theres no deterent,justice system needs overhauling and the death penalty needs to be re introduced,crime has to have serious consequences. Community Payback isnt/shouldnt be the fall back,its poorly run,understaffed and doesnt fullfill its criteria,re offending rates are going upward,we need to come up with better answers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mikeG   16 #38 Posted January 1, 2020 10 hours ago, staninoodle said: No suprise really,the prisons are full to busting,community service is now the back up and overloaded and cant cope,most offenders get an on spot caution or the courts hand out minimals. Some kid got five years for a stabbing another lad to death a few weeks back,FIVE YEARS! How long before its an on the spot fine? Theres no deterent,justice system needs overhauling and the death penalty needs to be re introduced,crime has to have serious consequences. Community Payback isnt/shouldnt be the fall back,its poorly run,understaffed and doesnt fullfill its criteria,re offending rates are going upward,we need to come up with better answers I agree with all of that. Well said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #39 Posted January 1, 2020 12 hours ago, staninoodle said: No suprise really,the prisons are full to busting,community service is now the back up and overloaded and cant cope,most offenders get an on spot caution or the courts hand out minimals. Some kid got five years for a stabbing another lad to death a few weeks back,FIVE YEARS! How long before its an on the spot fine? Theres no deterent,justice system needs overhauling and the death penalty needs to be re introduced,crime has to have serious consequences. Community Payback isnt/shouldnt be the fall back,its poorly run,understaffed and doesnt fullfill its criteria,re offending rates are going upward,we need to come up with better answers An appalling idea which would mean more innocent people being victims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lottiecass   17 #40 Posted January 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Halibut said: An appalling idea which would mean more innocent people being victims. Regardless of that fact, if a vote was taken capital punishment would be back. People are still in the eye for an eye mentality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
staninoodle   175 #41 Posted January 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Halibut said: An appalling idea which would mean more innocent people being victims. DNA and wall to wall cctv and the IPhone mean mistakes of the past can be eradicated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #42 Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, staninoodle said: DNA and wall to wall cctv and the IPhone mean mistakes of the past can be eradicated Have you read 1984? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom   1 #43 Posted January 2, 2020 7 hours ago, lottiecass said: Regardless of that fact, if a vote was taken capital punishment would be back. People are still in the eye for an eye mentality. Which is a compelling argument for us never having another referendum.  On anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #44 Posted January 2, 2020 9 hours ago, staninoodle said: DNA and wall to wall cctv and the IPhone mean mistakes of the past can be eradicated No, it doesn't - and it's highly naive to think otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Janus   28 #45 Posted January 2, 2020 17 hours ago, staninoodle said: DNA and wall to wall cctv and the IPhone mean mistakes of the past can be eradicated Reduced, not eradicated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
staninoodle   175 #46 Posted January 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Janus said: Reduced, not eradicated. And if theres doubt,then you dont issue a death sentance. Serious crime needs serious penalties to protect those who abide by law in society,5 years for stabbing someone to death is no deterent,if there out in 2 years on tag for 12 months thats hardly prohibitive to them re offending Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #47 Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, staninoodle said: And if theres doubt,then you dont issue a death sentance. Serious crime needs serious penalties to protect those who abide by law in society,5 years for stabbing someone to death is no deterent,if there out in 2 years on tag for 12 months thats hardly prohibitive to them re offending Draconian sentencing - and indeed the death penalty, are not deterrents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #48 Posted January 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Halibut said: Draconian sentencing - and indeed the death penalty, are not deterrents. Not true. 100% of people sentenced to death do not re-offend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...