When is it ok to have an abortion?

[WiseOwl182 10]

18 hours ago, Longcol said:

Go on then - explain.

 

 

 

 

The unborn foetus doesn't suddenly become a person the moment the head pops out, it's a gradual process. On the day before birth (which is what was originally being discussed here) the 'foetus' is a fully developed person, as human as he or she will be the next day when the umbilical cord is cut.

[WiseOwl182 10]

2 hours ago, alchemist said:

Abortion. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. An abortion is when a pregnancy ends early without the birth of any live children. A developing human takes about thirty-nine weeks to grow and be born. Normally, this occurs about forty weeks after the mother's last menstrual period.

 

What you have described is birth and therefore bringing about its death would be murder not abortion

 

There's no difference between a "foetus" the day before birth, and the baby born the next day, other than it has travelled down the birth canal. Killing it either side of that birth canal is still murdering a human being. I'm not against abortion but the time limits are for good reason, and discussing whether or not it's ok to abort a baby one day before it's birthday is like debating whether or not it's ok to murder people.

[Yeah but 0]

18 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

There's no difference between a "foetus" the day before birth, and the baby born the next day, other than it has travelled down the birth canal. Killing it either side of that birth canal is still murdering a human being. I'm not against abortion but the time limits are for good reason, and discussing whether or not it's ok to abort a baby one day before it's birthday is like debating whether or not it's ok to murder people.

These "progressives" will support ANYTHING that is anti - bourgeois, anti - traditional, as they see it. Just like feminism,  same sex marriage and pro mass immigration, etc. They latch on to all these issues purely as part of a globalist/humanist agenda.

Edited June 4, 2019 by Yeah but

[Longcol 604]

4 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

The unborn foetus doesn't suddenly become a person the moment the head pops out, it's a gradual process. On the day before birth (which is what was originally being discussed here) the 'foetus' is a fully developed person, as human as he or she will be the next day when the umbilical cord is cut.

Thank you for your clarification - agree fully with that.

[Halibut 12]

13 hours ago, Yeah but said:

They latch on to all these issues purely as part of a globalist/humanist agenda.

You say that like globalism and humanism are a bad thing?

[Yeah but 0]

2 hours ago, Halibut said:

You say that like globalism and humanism are a bad thing?

The society that you enjoy and thrive in wasn't built on humanism. It was built on the traditions,  institutions and structures that the likes of you seem intent on tearing down.

Edited June 5, 2019 by Yeah but

[Cyclone 10]

57 minutes ago, Yeah but said:

The society that you enjoy and thrive in wasn't built on humanism. It was built on the traditions,  institutions and structures that the likes of you seem intent on tearing down.

So... What exactly is it that you object to regarding humanism?

[Yeah but 0]

25 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

So... What exactly is it that you object to regarding humanism?

Its not that I'm against all aspects of humanism as such, forget that, its just that the west is the, lets say, least worst, place on earth to live, and it was built on certain values and structures through institutions and traditions that reckless lefties seem to want to tear down. Anti west Corbyn and the like, that are idolised by silly lefty millennials,  were totally taken in by Soviet and Chinese propaganda, omitting the harshness, the camps, the secret police and so on; would they have preferred to live under that?

 

...what was the thread about again? 😂

Edited June 5, 2019 by Yeah but

[Cyclone 10]

I'm not sure how we got to that from this topic though, the right to have an abortion is something that women had to fight for, it's progressive and an important right of bodily autonomy and self control.  There are still many countries where women don't have this freedom, even some parts of the USA, which is about as Western Civilisation as it gets!

[Yeah but 0]

11 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

I'm not sure how we got to that from this topic though, the right to have an abortion is something that women had to fight for, it's progressive and an important right of bodily autonomy and self control.  There are still many countries where women don't have this freedom, even some parts of the USA, which is about as Western Civilisation as it gets!

It may seem that I have gone off on a bit of a tangent there, but I like to put things in a wider context, to point out the broader agendas that are often behind particular issues.

Edited June 5, 2019 by Yeah but

[lil-minx92 10]

On 04/06/2019 at 00:17, ECCOnoob said:

People can argue all they want.  People can make their own warped interpretations but the fact is clear.   That fetus is nothing more than part of a womans body until it is born, snipped off and surviving on its own.

 

 

Finally we have clarity! You should be employed at the local maternity unit to explain this to the women who suffered a late term miscarriage. Im sure they would no longer feel like they lost a baby.

[pattricia 578]

Having attended many abortions as a nurse, it is a most distressing sight, no matter at what stage the foetus is at.