Who next for Tory Leader/PM?

[Voice of reason 0]

38 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Only in a negotiation between equal parties.

 

Look at it like taking a wrecked car to a car dealer and wanting the dealer to give you top book price for it when it’s not worth anything like that. Telling the dealer that if they don’t offer you the price you want, you will take the car to the scrappies isn’t a good negotiating tactic as yes, the dealer will lose the sale but you will lose your car and end up with nothing.

 

(or as my little sis said, you don’t go into a post office and try to rob it by putting a gun to your own head and threatening to pull the trigger if they don’t give you the money! 😂)

What an odd metaphor, do you really see this country as the scrap car, and the eu as the shiny new car dealership? What a low opinion you have of it, and us all.

[Mister M 1,609]

20 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Farage has boasted that 40,000 of the Tory members are basically entry-ists signed up in the last 6 months specifically to influence voting.

 

I don’t feel unhappy about that.

 

Anything that destroys the Tories suits me.

 

 

That's interesting to hear....Just before Jeremy Corbyn was elected loads of Tories paid £3 for the membership )or whatever it was) and voted for JC.

Karma.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

The only way to get a good properly negotiated deal for Brexit is by being prepared to walk away without a deal.  The walking away option is standard negotiating practice for anyone thrashing out an agreement on any thing.

Have a day off.  There is nothing extreme at all.  You are describing a scenario where the democratic 2016 EU referendum result is fully implemented.

Tell me again about how the bbc is bias against the tories.

 

Boris Johnson defends Brexit plan and 'row' silence https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48751527

[Dardandec 32]

29 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Anything that destroys the Tories suits me.

 

 

Then what? get the good old tax and spend Labour party? Maybe the Bull**** party with no manifesto. The working class of this country have never had it so good (on a tax point of view) take your pick, maybe Lib Dems at a push?

[Longcol 597]

22 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

What an odd metaphor, do you really see this country as the scrap car, and the eu as the shiny new car dealership? What a low opinion you have of it, and us all.

Have you seen Boris Johnson's car?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crumbs-and-coffee-cups-inside-boris-johnsons-filthy-car-bxj7v00zw

[Top Cats Hat 10]

7 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

What an odd metaphor, do you really see this country as the scrap car, and the eu as the shiny new car dealership? What a low opinion you have of it, and us all.

Not an odd metaphor at all.

 

Britain’s post-imperial prosperity has largely been as a result of our membership of the EU.

 

Within seconds of the Sunderland result in the referendum three years ago yesterday, Sterling took a tumble on the world’s markets from which it has still not recovered. As soon as Article 50 was triggered the prospects for Britain’s economic well-being took another tumble as did Sterling again.

 

So yes, the UK’s strength in any negotiations with the EU can be likened to trying to sell a scrap car to a wealthy car dealer. We need the EU more than the EU needs us so yes, we are at a massive disadvantage in any negotiations. Every single credible economic forecaster will agree with that.

 

Have you ever wondered why when news emerges which makes Brexit look more likely, Sterling falls, yet when news emerges which makes Brexit look less likely, Sterling rallies?

 

Strange that! 😏

[melthebell 862]

Most people aren't going for the top job in politricks though.

Most people aren't well known for lying, cheating and backstabbing in both their private life and political life though.

[Lockdoctor 10]

11 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

What an odd metaphor, do you really see this country as the scrap car, and the eu as the shiny new car dealership? What a low opinion you have of it, and us all.

The usual suspects who have no respect for democracy have no pride in their own country.  The UK import more goods from the EU than we export the other way and the UK is the 5th largest economy in the World which is a strong position to be in when entering negotiations. 

 

We know when the MPs want to tie the hands of our new Prime Minister by ruling out the option of a no deal it is effectively gerrymandering the situation in order to block the implementation of the democratic EU referendum result.  The best thing what can happen for our country is for when Parliament goes into summer recess for it not to sit again until November and allow our new Prime Minister the freedom to negotiate with the EU without any interference from the Brexit blockers. Then the likelihood of our country coming to a mutual agreement with the EU is greater than leaving the EU on 31st October without any deal.

Edited June 25, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Voice of reason 0]

10 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not an odd metaphor at all.

 

Britain’s post-imperial prosperity has largely been as a result of our membership of the EU.

 

Within seconds of the Sunderland result in the referendum three years ago yesterday, Sterling took a tumble on the world’s markets from which it has still not recovered. As soon as Article 50 was triggered the prospects for Britain’s economic well-being took another tumble as did Sterling again.

 

So yes, the UK’s strength in any negotiations with the EU can be likened to trying to sell a scrap car to a wealthy car dealer. We need the EU more than the EU needs us so yes, we are at a massive disadvantage in any negotiations. Every single credible economic forecaster will agree with that.

 

Have you ever wondered why when news emerges which makes Brexit look more likely, Sterling falls, yet when news emerges which makes Brexit look less likely, Sterling rallies?

 

Strange that! 😏

This country, and our economy is not akin to a scrap car. There's no point arguing the toss between each other when your view of the country is that.

[L00b 441]

16 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The UK import more goods from the EU than we export the other way and the UK is the 5th largest economy in the World which is a strong position to be in when entering negotiations. 

"They need us more than we need them"? Again?

 

Where's that facepalm emoticon?

 

Next you'll be waxing lyrical about your next Prime Minister's GATT24 negotiating basis and his interim period-without-a-WA 

Edited June 25, 2019 by L00b

[Voice of reason 0]

it depends on the topic. Gove taking coke is a criminal offence and needs discussing. Boris had a row with his girlfriend, and doesn't. If he'd been arrested, or there'd been an altercation where the Police had to be involved directly, then yes.

He could say they had a big row, but anything more than that is personal. It seems more concerning that he is pulling out of debates.

[alchresearch 214]

This is precisely why  Chuka Umunna didn't want the Labour leader job.  Digging and scratching at personal life.

 

Look at how the tabloids went after Miliband's dad.