The Brexit Party thread. All brexit party discussion here please.

[alchresearch 208]

13 hours ago, Pettytom said:

It is mildly ironic that the BBC sack Danny Baker for a borderline racist tweet, but are happy to give airtime to a proper, old fashioned racist.

Its not, because:
 

1) Farage isn't a BBC employee

2) Farage on makes for good viewing figures

3) He gets shouted down, mocked, ridiculed or humiliated anyway

[Tony 10]

On 09/05/2019 at 22:23, Mister M said:

He's been on QT more time than other politician - bar Ken Clarke. And he's only been on more than Farage because Clarke's been in parliament since 1974!

This one is easy to get right. The top 10 for QT appearances are:

 

 

Panellists	Affiliation	No. of appearances[43]	Average per year	Date
Kenneth Clarke	Conservatives	59	1.6	1982–2019
Shirley Williams	Labour (before 1981) Social Democrats (1981–88) Liberal Democrats (1988–present)	58	1.6	1980–2015
Menzies Campbell	Liberal Democrats	46	1.6	1987–2017
Harriet Harman	Labour	45	1.3	1981–2015
Charles Kennedy	Liberal Democrats	44	1.4	1983–2015
Clare Short	Labour	39	1.2	1980–2011
Michael Heseltine	Conservatives	38	1.1	1979–2015
Paddy Ashdown	Liberal Democrats	37	1.1	1983–2016
Roy Hattersley	Labour	36	1.2	1979–2010
Simon Hughes	Liberal Democrats	34	1.1	1984–2014

 

[Car Boot 10]

"Left-wing Democrats should vote Brexit Party to deliver the referendum result".

 

Claire Fox, Brexit party MEP candidate. 

[Longcol 592]

56 minutes ago, Tony said:

This one is easy to get right. The top 10 for QT appearances are:

 

 

Panellists	Affiliation	No. of appearances[43]	Average per year	Date
Kenneth Clarke	Conservatives	59	1.6	1982–2019
Shirley Williams	Labour (before 1981) Social Democrats (1981–88) Liberal Democrats (1988–present)	58	1.6	1980–2015
Menzies Campbell	Liberal Democrats	46	1.6	1987–2017
Harriet Harman	Labour	45	1.3	1981–2015
Charles Kennedy	Liberal Democrats	44	1.4	1983–2015
Clare Short	Labour	39	1.2	1980–2011
Michael Heseltine	Conservatives	38	1.1	1979–2015
Paddy Ashdown	Liberal Democrats	37	1.1	1983–2016
Roy Hattersley	Labour	36	1.2	1979–2010
Simon Hughes	Liberal Democrats	34	1.1	1984–2014

 

Yes - however he is up there with Ken Clarke for appearances this century.

 

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2018/02/farage-has-made-the-joint-highest-number-of-question-time-appearances-this-century/

 

 

[Tony 10]

17 hours ago, Longcol said:

Yes - however he is up there with Ken Clarke for appearances this century.

 

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2018/02/farage-has-made-the-joint-highest-number-of-question-time-appearances-this-century/

 

 

Indeed. Though, if we're going to be critical of the BBC we should be asking how many times the party, not the man, have appeared on the programme. The numbers would be in the toilet and likely not representative of their election polling. This is one of those tropes that people trot out without thinking about it. 

 

I haven't checked, but ISTR that the Farage's version of UKIP poll about ten percent but didn't have an equivalent number of representatives in the UK Parliament. Where PR is in place Farage's UKIP do better than the other parties. Whether we like him or not he was the face, and indeed the leader, of UKIP so it shouldn't be a surprise that he was invited to QT. 

 

Maybe, instead of complaining that Farage turned up to be accountable, we should be wondering why the leaders of the other main parties were not gracing us with their visages. how many times have Cameron, Corbyn, Blair, May, Howard, Kinnock, Brown,  etc made themselves available to answer questions from the public?

[melthebell 862]

30 minutes ago, Tony said:

Indeed. Though, if we're going to be critical of the BBC we should be asking how many times the party, not the man, have appeared on the programme. The numbers would be in the toilet and likely not representative of their election polling. This is one of those tropes that people trot out without thinking about it. 

 

I haven't checked, but ISTR that the Farage's version of UKIP poll about ten percent but didn't have an equivalent number of representatives in the UK Parliament. Where PR is in place Farage's UKIP do better than the other parties. Whether we like him or not he was the face, and indeed the leader, of UKIP so it shouldn't be a surprise that he was invited to QT. 

 

Maybe, instead of complaining that Farage turned up to be accountable, we should be wondering why the leaders of the other main parties were not gracing us with their visages. how many times have Cameron, Corbyn, Blair, May, Howard, Kinnock, Brown,  etc made themselves available to answer questions from the public?

More importantly how many times has farage turned up to mep sessions to actually do the job he's voted in for?

[I1L2T3 10]

3 minutes ago, melthebell said:

More importantly how many times has farage turned up to mep sessions to actually do the job he's voted in for?

He turned up for one  EU fisheries committee meeting out of 42 meetings.

 

Its clear he has the welfare of British coastal communities at heart.

[Tony 10]

2 minutes ago, melthebell said:

More importantly how many times has farage turned up to mep sessions to actually do the job he's voted in for?

UKIP have / had an active policy of not contributing to the day to day business of the EU, so they seem to be fulfilling their voters alleged wishes well. Can you tell us how well the other parties MEPs did in that respect, how did your MEP represent you? Do you even know who you voted for?

[altus 533]

33 minutes ago, Tony said:

UKIP have / had an active policy of not contributing to the day to day business of the EU, so they seem to be fulfilling their voters alleged wishes well. Can you tell us how well the other parties MEPs did in that respect, how did your MEP represent you? Do you even know who you voted for?

They were willing to break that policy when it was against the interests of the UK public though. e.g. When the EU voted to force pharmaceutical companies to publish details about all drugs trials (not just the favourable ones), something that would save the NHS money and lead to safer prescribing, half the UKIP MPs voted against it and the other half abstained. One UKIP MEP even told a constituent that he was against the legislation because it may harm UK pharmaceutical companies' profits.

 

It was so obviously a good idea that 97% of MEPs, including all the other UK MEPs, voted for it. Incidentally, the legislation was proposed and stewarded through the EU parliament by a UK MEP.

 

UKIP simply don't have the interests of the British public at heart. Nigel's new party don't either.

[Tony 10]

You don't even know who you voted for do you, or who your MEP is?  The only MEP's you know are Nigel Farage and Guy Verhofstadt, and of those two you only know about Farage's single policy to leave the EU. That's the normal state of affairs for most people and a large part of the reason why the Nation voted Leave. 

 

I hope my point is made.   

[retep 68]

3 hours ago, altus said:

They were willing to break that policy when it was against the interests of the UK public though. e.g. When the EU voted to force pharmaceutical companies to publish details about all drugs trials (not just the favourable ones), something that would save the NHS money and lead to safer prescribing, half the UKIP MPs voted against it and the other half abstained. One UKIP MEP even told a constituent that he was against the legislation because it may harm UK pharmaceutical companies' profits.

 

It was so obviously a good idea that 97% of MEPs, including all the other UK MEPs, voted for it. Incidentally, the legislation was proposed and stewarded through the EU parliament by a UK MEP.

 

UKIP simply don't have the interests of the British public at heart. Nigel's new party don't either.

You may not have noticed but its that same 97% that are all for keeping us tied to the EU, whilst Farage is trying to vote himself out.

[tinfoilhat 11]

3 minutes ago, retep said:

You may not have noticed but its that same 97% that are all for keeping us tied to the EU, whilst Farage is trying to vote himself out.

He's got no more power to achieve that aim than you or me.