Sheffield council reshuffle

[Cyclone 10]

5 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Would that be Manchester? They have significantly more funding, having won funding competitions and having devolved funding in place, which might help to explain their enthusiasm. 

 

SCC have grand plans for Dutch style infrastructure. Once the devolved funding is in place over here, they might have some money to spend on it. 

Meanwhile they spend money on prosecuting their own councillors for protesting against the removal of perfectly healthy trees to the detriment of the health of the public.

[Planner1 428]

21 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

Meanwhile they spend money on prosecuting their own councillors for protesting against the removal of perfectly healthy trees to the detriment of the health of the public.

Which has got nothing to do with implementing significant new infrastructure. 

 

Councils get given money money for specific purposes. Some other councils have implemented cycle super highways because they were awarded specific funding by the government in a competitive bidding process. Sheffield bid, but weren’t successful. 

[the_bloke 17]

5 hours ago, Planner1 said:

SCC have grand plans for Dutch style infrastructure. Once the devolved funding is in place over here, they might have some money to spend on it. 

You've just said that the hills put most people off from cycling in Sheffield. The reason the Dutch like cycling and have spent money on creating a great infrastructure is because there are no hills. 

 

How are more cycle routes going to remove the hurdle to cycling that you've identified in this thread - the hills?

[Cyclone 10]

3 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Which has got nothing to do with implementing significant new infrastructure. 

 

Councils get given money money for specific purposes. Some other councils have implemented cycle super highways because they were awarded specific funding by the government in a competitive bidding process. Sheffield bid, but weren’t successful. 

Does have a lot to do with how they waste their limited budget though.

[Planner1 428]

5 hours ago, the_bloke said:

You've just said that the hills put most people off from cycling in Sheffield. The reason the Dutch like cycling and have spent money on creating a great infrastructure is because there are no hills. 

 

How are more cycle routes going to remove the hurdle to cycling that you've identified in this thread - the hills?

They aren’t of course.

 

There is the “build it and they will come” counter argument and it has worked elsewhere,  so if they do build the infrastructure, we’ll see who is right. 

 

The Dutch have traditionally always had much higher levels of cycling than we have, so it’s difficult to compare with them realistically. 

2 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Does have a lot to do with how they waste their limited budget though.

So is everything you disagree with a “waste”?

[Cyclone 10]

Is everything they do guaranteed not to be a waste and thus not eligible for criticism?

[Planner1 428]

4 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Is everything they do guaranteed not to be a waste and thus not eligible for criticism?

Of course not, but the way you write it implies they waste their whole budget: "Does have a lot to do with how they waste their limited budget though."

[Cyclone 10]

Not at all, it was quite clearly in reply to your post, where you claimed my post wasn't on topic, but it obviously was as it was a demonstration of a waste of some of their budget.

 

If you have a limited budget and can't afford to create decent cycling infrastructure or empty bins more than once a month, then you don't go wasting it on prosecuting your own councillors in defence of an incredibly unpopular activity, I'd say.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Cyclone

[Guest makapaka]

1 hour ago, Cyclone said:

Not at all, it was quite clearly in reply to your post, where you claimed my post wasn't on topic, but it obviously was as it was a demonstration of a waste of some of their budget.

 

If you have a limited budget and can't afford to create decent cycling infrastructure or empty bins more than once a month, then you don't go wasting it on prosecuting your own councillors in defence of an incredibly unpopular activity, I'd say.

False equivalence that isn’t it.

 

[Cyclone 10]

I didn't draw an equivalence, so it seems unlikely.

[Guest makapaka]

32 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

I didn't draw an equivalence, so it seems unlikely.

Not between the councils expenditure on legal actions for tree felling and their expenditure on cycling infrastructure.....

[Cyclone 10]

No, I didn't draw an equivalence.