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It isn’t a protest though. It is a democratic necessity brought about by our bungling Government. Had they done their job correctly, this election wouldn’t be happening.

 

Save your anger for the Tory negotiating team that failed to get an acceptable deal. They’ve left us in limbo.

 

You can’t blame people for voting in line with their beliefs, no matter how wrong you consider them to be. 

 

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47 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It isn’t a protest though. It is a democratic necessity brought about by our bungling Government. Had they done their job correctly, this election wouldn’t be happening.

 

Save your anger for the Tory negotiating team that failed to get an acceptable deal. They’ve left us in limbo.

 

You can’t blame people for voting in line with their beliefs, no matter how wrong you consider them to be. 

 

Davies and Rabb basically believed they could go for lunch in Brussels, throw some demands around then come back to their club in London for tea. They never got within a mile of a deal which meant May had to do it herself. Whether you think her deal is poor or not, at least it is one. Davies and Rabb wre a pathetic embarrassment.

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There’s a few that I blame including Cameron,Farage,and all the supposedly Brexit Conservative MPs who were not prepared to step up to the plate in a way that Brexit voters might have expected.

We are now left with various factions who are only able to take negative and destructive actions.

A vote for any anti EU candidate into the European Parliament is just another negative and destructive use of a vote.

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10 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

All the things I’ve posted are factual.

But in the grand scheme of things its immaterial to the referendum vote and outcome. Laws were broken and the appropriate punishment for breaking them was administered, and no laws were broken as far as the use/misuse of social media was concerned.

 

10 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

And, if the remain campaign broke the law too then that makes it even worse and does not cancel out the wrongdoing on the leave side.

I didnt say it did. 

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9 minutes ago, apelike said:

But in the grand scheme of things its immaterial to the referendum vote and outcome. Laws were broken and the appropriate punishment for breaking them was administered, and no laws were broken as far as the use/misuse of social media was concerned.

 

I didnt say it did. 

Not all investigations are complete.  Its completely relevant to the outcome.

 

Something people don’t get is that if Brexit goes wrong the blame is going to point straight back at the referendum and the failure to deal with the issues around it.

 

It will be blame all the way 

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10 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Something people don’t get is that if Brexit goes wrong the blame is going to point straight back at the referendum and the failure to deal with the issues around it.

It will be blame all the way 

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And the Tory party at the next election; they will need to time the next election to minimise that.

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14 hours ago, Pettytom said:

It isn’t a protest though. It is a democratic necessity brought about by our bungling Government. Had they done their job correctly, this election wouldn’t be happening.

 

Save your anger for the Tory negotiating team that failed to get an acceptable deal. They’ve left us in limbo.

 

You can’t blame people for voting in line with their beliefs, no matter how wrong you consider them to be. 

 

May`s "surrender" deal is unacceptable as it does NOT deliver the result of the referendum. But Labour and the rest of the insignificant small parties are equally to blame for trying to thwart the will of the people and the result of the referendum. 

13 hours ago, RJRB said:

There’s a few that I blame including Cameron,Farage,and all the supposedly Brexit Conservative MPs who were not prepared to step up to the plate in a way that Brexit voters might have expected.

We are now left with various factions who are only able to take negative and destructive actions.

A vote for any anti EU candidate into the European Parliament is just another negative and destructive use of a vote.

No its not. Its a vote to cause as much grief and trouble in the EU parliament as possible. 

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6 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

No its not. Its a vote to cause as much grief and trouble in the EU parliament as possible. 

By not turning up and giving everyone else a free hand? You have to actually attend to do that, not one of Farages strong points.

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46 minutes ago, Penistone999 said:

 

No its not. Its a vote to cause as much grief and trouble in the EU parliament as possible. 

As I said,negative and destructive,not to mention stupidly irresponsible.

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12 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Not all investigations are complete.  Its completely relevant to the outcome.

Not really. What people fail to understand is that the referendum was conducted differently to a general election but are trying to put GE rules on it. With the referendum blame can be put on the people who are in charge and run a campaign but it is very hard to legally quantify if filling in wrong expense claims made any difference to the outcome. There are referendum laws in place regarding that situation and those laws have been used to prosecute individuals in charge. With a GE an individual can be prosecuted for electoral fraud and be held accountable to an Election Court but the party they represent cannot as its the individual candidate that is responsible.

 

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Something people don’t get is that if Brexit goes wrong the blame is going to point straight back at the referendum and the failure to deal with the issues around it.

It depend how you think brexit can go wrong. 

 

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It will be blame all the way 

I agree but that blame will be on the inept MP's who agreed to hold a referendum, and being not happy with the outcome then took control of it.

 

7 minutes ago, RJRB said:

As I said,negative and destructive,not to mention stupidly irresponsible.

Of course its not and as everybody on here keeps pointing out that is democracy, people chose what they want as they did in the referendum. The stupid bit is having to take part in the Euro Elections anyway.

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8 hours ago, RJRB said:

As I said,negative and destructive,not to mention stupidly irresponsible.

The Tories and Labour stood on an election manifesto pledge to deliver Brexit and take us out of the EU . They Lied. There is only one party who now represent the views and wishes of Leave voters , and that is the Brexit party. And we need to get as many of their candidates elected as possible and take away as many votes as possible from the two Traitor parties. 

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