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2 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

You're trying to argue that getting a degree makes you want to remain in the EU. I would say being younger makes you want to remain in the EU (simply because it's the fashionable position to hold and fits in with the social media echo chambers) but the fact younger people have more degrees is purely a function of recent government policy to push more people into university. Not all of those that go to university need to, or should do.

No I’m not. I’m saying that expanding you mind a little, getting a more rounded education, meeting different people and seeing more of the world helps a lot of people appreciate and understand the benefits of what we have. Don’t try and switch it to a discussion about the value of education. I’m not going to let you pivot on this.

 

Your charade of sitting on the fence has fallen apart hasn’t it....

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17 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

No I’m not. I’m saying that expanding you mind a little, getting a more rounded education, meeting different people and seeing more of the world helps a lot of people appreciate and understand the benefits of what we have. Don’t try and switch it to a discussion about the value of education. I’m not going to let you pivot on this.

 

Your charade of sitting on the fence has fallen apart hasn’t it....

Not at all, I'm definitely still on the fence.

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40 minutes ago, L00b said:

We're going round in circles here, and the above is such a confused mess of clichés demonstrating a fundamental lack of awareness about basic EU principles and membership, that I'm wondering whether you're deliberately muddling, or you lack knowledge to the extent of not even knowing what you don't know about the EU, democracy and sovereignty.

 

So let's just try a different tack: you're somehow miffed because I posted a while back, that the 29 Brexit Party MEPs, as a group, are irrelevant in the broader context of the total number of 751 MEPs in the EU Parliament. And/or you're using that fact (it's not an admission, it's primary school maths) as justification that the UK must Brexit, because those 29 British MEPs, by themselves, aren't going to be able to make Johnny Foreigner jump to their tune.

 

29 Brexit Party MEPs out of 751 MEPs is not a Parliamentary majority. Neither is 73 British MEPs. Neither is 72 French MEPs.

 

376 MEPs is a majority: nothing gets agreed and done at the EU by a single Member country. Nothing ever did. Before the UK joined, nor since.

 

Until you get this, and also -perhaps, and helpfully- basics like pooled sovereignty areas and consensual politics, you've no hope of ever understanding EU membership, and who your geopolitical mates really are.

 

Now please Brexit, eat your black bread for a few years, learn useful life lessons in the process, and then you can come back when you're ready.

You're missing my point, as well as being smarmily insulting. I get how the EU works. I get that even if all our MEPs were the same party they would still have little influence in the EU parliament. I'm using that as justification as to why a lot of people would vote for Brexit. People don't want laws enacted in our country when our representatives only had a minority say in them. Many people simply don't want the UK to become a member state of a United States of Europe, and as time has gone on, it has moved more and more towards that - diluted representation being symptomatic.

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10 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

No it won’t, but it will be made a whole lot more difficult for youngsters to visit, live, study and work elsewhere.

 

You know I’m right. 

 

You’ve lost this argument

You can't win or lose an argument, if it has become an argument.

 

The life experience and education you mentioned earlier, normally enhances peoples ability to have an open mind.

The mixing with different people, travel, education, working in different environments, have all helped me realise that my opinions are just that. They may be right they may be wrong, an opinion is rarely either. Life is rarely black or white, the rich tapestry of the world is partly due to people holding differing views and living their lives in different ways. 

Other peoples opinions are just as valid as mine, and from their viewpoint, their opinion is right for them.

Invariably problems occur when people are intolerant or unaccepting of other views and beliefs. Most of the problem points in the world are due to that.

So, I wish you well, and I imagine we'll not agree on this topic, but I hope you can  listen a little more sympatheticly to the groups you mentioned, and appreciate their views and experiences are just as valid as anyone elses.

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LEAVE has won the Peterborough by-election.

 

Labour's Lisa Forces won on 10,484 votes.  She campaigned on a platform to honour the referendum and deliver Brexit. In second came the Brexit party, on 9,801 votes. 

 

Remain voters gave their vote to the Liberal Democrats, champions of austerity for the poor. They gained 4,159 votes.

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13 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

LEAVE has won the Peterborough by-election.

 

Labour's Lisa Forces won on 10,484 votes.  She campaigned on a platform to honour the referendum and deliver Brexit. In second came the Brexit party, on 9,801 votes. 

 

Remain voters gave their vote to the Liberal Democrats, champions of austerity for the poor. They gained 4,159 votes.

Hahahahahahahaha

 

Funniest post of the year so far

 

Wetherspoons opens early. Go and drown your sorrows

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

LEAVE has won the Peterborough by-election.

 

Labour's Lisa Forces won on 10,484 votes.  She campaigned on a platform to honour the referendum and deliver Brexit. In second came the Brexit party, on 9,801 votes. 

 

Remain voters gave their vote to the Liberal Democrats, champions of austerity for the poor. They gained 4,159 votes.

If Labour wanted Brexit you would have had it by now. It isn’t the minority of Tory MPs stopping it. It is Labour. Labour are the main obstacle to Brexit. 

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

LEAVE has won the Peterborough by-election.

 

Labour's Lisa Forces won on 10,484 votes.  She campaigned on a platform to honour the referendum and deliver Brexit. In second came the Brexit party, on 9,801 votes. 

 

Remain voters gave their vote to the Liberal Democrats, champions of austerity for the poor. They gained 4,159 votes.

And there was me thinking that you had no sense of humour. Thank you for brightening my morning 😀

 

Of course, results like this are complex,  but at first glance it would seem to be a bit of a blow for the bonkers Brexiter brigade.

 

People’s vote anyone?

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

LEAVE has won the Peterborough by-election.

 

Labour's Lisa Forces won on 10,484 votes.  She campaigned on a platform to honour the referendum and deliver Brexit. In second came the Brexit party, on 9,801 votes. 

 

Remain voters gave their vote to the Liberal Democrats, champions of austerity for the poor. They gained 4,159 votes.

She actually campaigned on local issues of schooling and policing, and said so in her speech. There's more than one issue in politics and Brexit is a big one, but also people are fed up with discussing just that.

The split between the parties is interesting and Labours share did fall lots, but the split still gave them victory.

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11 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

She actually campaigned on local issues of schooling and policing, and said so in her speech. There's more than one issue in politics and Brexit is a big one, but also people are fed up with discussing just that.

The split between the parties is interesting and Labours share did fall lots, but the split still gave them victory.

Indeed. Labour won but it wasn’t a great night for them. Like you say that had a strong, very locally-focused candidate.

 

The big lesson for the Brexit Party is they can’t just parachute any candidate in. They need to build into communities, and to be honest that is going to be very, very difficult for them in any sizeable town or city.

 

For remain parties the lesson is that the Brexit Party can be completely nullified using tactical voting.

 

The Tories.....when it comes to the crunch the lesson is their vote is going to be split most heavily.

 

Happy days. Looks like a way forward out of this mess.

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34 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

She actually campaigned on local issues of schooling and policing, and said so in her speech. There's more than one issue in politics and Brexit is a big one, but also people are fed up with discussing just that.

The split between the parties is interesting and Labours share did fall lots, but the split still gave them victory.

That's the problem, the Brexit party don't have a manifesto or even pledges. Just a one trick pony, apart from the terminally obsessed people aren't interested in purely voting for brexit

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Posted (edited)

Time to dust this thread off:  Brexit Party ordered by Electoral Commission to account for donations

Nigel Farage's Brexit Party has been told to check all £2.5 million donated to it to ensure it hasn't accepted cash from foreign donors.



The Party will be required to satisfy itself that every single £25 'supporter' fee was not from an impermissible source.

If they can't, they'll have to either return it to the donor or hand it over to the Treasury.

Considering that the Brexit Party, as an incorporated company, must be able to do exactly that for submissions to HMRC and Companies House, you'd think "no problem"...but then, Farage has already said that they can't (for Paypal donations).

 

In a related development, the Electoral Commission is also to give evidence about digital campaigning to MPs in Parliament, under absolute privilege rules (that means no possibility of suits for libel/slander available to Nigel and chums :twisted:)

 

Popcorn's on order :D

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