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11 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

You really are clutching at straws now. If the Leave vote was so big, why are you scrabbling around trying to steal Remain votes to boost the numbers?

 

John Curtice has it right when he said this morning that it was pointless trying to count ‘implied’ votes from this election. He said that the consistent polling is much more accurate and that puts Remain on about 53% and Leave on 46-47%.

 

Farage may have the biggest vote but it doesn’t alter one bit the undeniable fact that the majority of UK citizens wish to remain in the EU.

I'm not clutching at straws at all. I stated how the votes could be apportioned between leave and remain long before the results came out.

 

What did John Curtice predict before 2016?

 

If there was a second referendum and it came out 52% remain and 48% leave, what then? Which of the two votes would take precedence, or should there then be a third to decide it once and for all?

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1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

And there in a nutshell is why Brexit happened. We've found ourselves in a position where our laws can be passed on the basis that our biggest party in EU elections and therefore our representatives in the EU parliament make up 29/751 and in your own words, have no relevance. This is why people find it undemocratic and want to regain sovereignty. 

You don't really understand this 'EU' thing, how it works, and how it's been working for the past few decades, do you?

 

*There* is why Brexit happened: too many taken in by the lies and misrepresentations hook, line and sinker, without spending the minutest of time reflecting about what tge EU (actually-) is, how it works, and the extent to which the UK's membership has benefitted them personally, professionally and socially.

 

Undemocratic? Sovereignty? Clearly, from your comment above, you don't know the meaning of these words, you're still just parrotting Eurosceptic dog whistles.

 

The voting turnout and the results for the UK's EU elections say all that needs to be said on that front: close to *zero* progress in some 3 years.

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26 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

You really are clutching at straws now. If the Leave vote was so big, why are you scrabbling around trying to steal Remain votes to boost the numbers?

You couldn't make it up, there was someone earlier on the radio claiming that not all "Green" votes should be classed as a vote to remain, as they also have other policies. So it's ok for them to be all "Leave" votes if it is the Tory party. This thread stinks of desperation, its astonishing.

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9 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

If there was a second referendum and it came out 52% remain and 48% leave, what then? 

That would require a shift from Remain to Leave which is very unlikely as the move has been the other way for three years now.

 

Why would anyone in 2019 switch from Remain to Leave?

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23 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

I'm not clutching at straws at all. I stated how the votes could be apportioned between leave and remain long before the results came out.

 

What did John Curtice predict before 2016?

 

If there was a second referendum and it came out 52% remain and 48% leave, what then? Which of the two votes would take precedence, or should there then be a third to decide it once and for all?

The most recent one as it is with how all laws are made in this country.  You do live in this country right?

 

Are you trying to be silly now?  Serious question, I need to know how low I need to go to debate with you now.

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1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Because in the UK, as a UK citizen and resident, my vote should count and those of people not living here should not. It's simple really. We never voted to join a superstate with heavily diluted democratic representation.

No, the position can only count at the time of the election, obviously.

You're trying to split the leave vote. The Tories stand for leave, whether it's hard or soft, that is their position. Trying to apportion a percentage of their vote to Remain is desperate.

The leave vote is split in the Tory Party

 

You have the ERG MPs who want a hard Brexit, and a whole load more who favour a soft Brexit. And plenty who want no Brexit.

 

That is the reality

 

 

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Norwich city didn't win the championship

 

Because Ipswich, Bolton and Rotherham United gain more points if you added up all their points

 

Same goes for Manchester City and the premier league, Man United and Crystal Palace gained more points if you added their points together

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Lewis Hamilton didn’t really win last year’s F1 Championship because if you tot up all the other drivers’ points they are greater than the points that Hamilton won. 🏁

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

You don't really understand this 'EU' thing, how it works, and how it's been working for the past few decades, do you?

 

*There* is why Brexit happened: too many taken in by the lies and misrepresentations hook, line and sinker, without spending the minutest of time reflecting about what tge EU (actually-) is, how it works, and the extent to which the UK's membership has benefitted them personally, professionally and socially.

 

Undemocratic? Sovereignty? Clearly, from your comment above, you don't know the meaning of these words, you're still just parrotting Eurosceptic dog whistles.

 

The voting turnout and the results for the UK's EU elections say all that needs to be said on that front: close to *zero* progress in some 3 years.

You can't have it both ways. First you say that our newly elected largest party in the EU parliament has such little say it's irrelevant, and now you're saying that's not how the EU works and that we do have sovereignty. Which is it?

28 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Lewis Hamilton didn’t really win last year’s F1 Championship because if you tot up all the other drivers’ points they are greater than the points that Hamilton won. 🏁

..... said the inconsolable remainer.

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470,351 votes in Yorkshire and the Humber for the Brexit Party! Amazing!

 

23,459 votes for the Brexit Party in Barnsley (Labour came second with 7,693 votes).

30,016 votes for the Brexit Party in Doncaster (Labour came second with 11,393 votes).

53,600 votes for the Brexit Party in wealthy Leeds (Labour came second with 36,377 votes).

 

Brexit party is the top choice for voters all over Yorkshire!

 

Yorkshire is now an EU FREE ZONE.

 

Voters have firmly rejected the metropolitan, globalist bankers vision of the UK.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ez8004 said:

The most recent one as it is with how all laws are made in this country.  You do live in this country right?

 

Are you trying to be silly now?  Serious question, I need to know how low I need to go to debate with you now.

So we go with the most recent one, should we then have another one after another 3 years to make sure everyone still wants to Remain? Or is it a permanent answer when it's the one you agree with?

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14 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

So we go with the most recent one, should we then have another one after another 3 years to make sure everyone still wants to Remain? Or is it a permanent answer when it's the one you agree with?

If you can yield a parliamentary majority to legislate for another referendum in three years time then go for it. This is how parliament works. 

 

Did you genuinely not know that?

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