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6 minutes ago, hgdave said:

Could be mistaken but i thought both main parties promised to honour the result of the referendum during the election.

They did, but given that nobody actually said what leave actually meant at the time of the referendum it's not surprising that nobody can make up their mind what to vote for. At the end of the day, MPs have to vote for what they believe is in the interests of their constituencies and not be bullied into supporting something they don't believe in by a shouty minority.

 

Of course all this was said at the time of the referendum but it was drowned out by talk of immigrants, bendy bananas and blue passports. 

 

Stop blaming the politicians.

 

This mess is entirely of our own making.

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20 minutes ago, hgdave said:

The first lot know Mays' deal is a sell out , the second lot want us to keep voting  until they get the answer they want , that is probably what they call democracy. Could be mistaken but i thought both main parties promised to honour the result of the referendum during the election.Probably my misunderstanding of what democracy is.

That's pretty much how I see it  but what do I know ,  Im just an idiot

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1 minute ago, hackey lad said:

That's pretty much how I see it  but what do I know ,  Im just an idiot

All the erg et al need to do is vote for mays deal then we’re out.

 

Job done.

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25 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

All the erg et al need to do is vote for mays deal then we’re out.

 

Job done.

Is that true ?

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The referendum wasn't true democracy anyway. The leave campaign never truthfully told us what leave actually meant which will have mislead a lot of voters and it cannot be reversed like a normal election. Once we leave that's it, we can never rejoin on the same terms we have now. Where is the democracy in that? I have been saying this for ages but the only options are Mrs May's deal or another referendum. Not too keen on getting into bed with Labour.

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44 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Stop blaming the politicians.

 

This mess is entirely of our own making.

No, this mess is because the politicians, especially Cameron who took a gamble that backfired on him, but at least he had the honour to resign as PM. The MP's in Parliament are very culpable as they have been complacent and because of it out of touch with the people. They were easily led into having a referendum and never for one moment took into consideration that it could be a majority leave vote. They could have put/included conditions on the outcome but didn't and because of that they failed miserably and are now trying to clean up their mistake. They are happy for people like you to forgive them and transfer their incompetence onto the people instead. The local elections have shown just how fed up people are of the mainstream politicians and like the referendum have vented their distaste and distrust of them. 

 

We did not make the rules, we did not pass the acts in parliament, we did what we were allowed to do an that is vote. Whatever happens after that is down to them in charge and not the people so stop blaming them.

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1 minute ago, apelike said:

No, this mess is because the politicians, especially Cameron who took a gamble that backfired on him, 

That is true but we didn't have to go along with it.

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3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is true but we didn't have to go along with it.

You didn't . Or did you ?

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15 minutes ago, Dardandec said:

The leave campaign never truthfully told us what leave actually meant which will have mislead a lot of voters and it cannot be reversed like a normal election.

In a GE the parties do not tell us what they will do either and Cameron did also say what leave meant and spent lots of public money on trying to convince the people to vote remain. You are also mistaken about it not being able to be reversed as well as laws are in place to do just that or to just ignore the result, and laws were also incorporated into the main referendum act passed by parliament.

 

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Once we leave that's it, we can never rejoin on the same terms we have now. Where is the democracy in that? 

In a socialist led organisation like the EU should not all members be equal and join on the same footing?

 

10 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

That is true but we didn't have to go along with it.

Why? that is called democracy the people were given a vote and that democracy is what people on here keep banging on about!

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1 minute ago, apelike said:

In a socialist led organisation like the EU should not all members be equal and join on the same footing?

All members are equal and do join on the same footing. As a founding member with a lot of clout we managed to negotiate a better deal for ourselves.

 

That's what makes all the tooing and froing and my deal is better than your deal in Parliament look so ridiculous. Nothing being offered is anyway near as good as the one we already have which is why if Labour help facilitate May's promise to leave, they will never be forgiven.

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7 minutes ago, apelike said:

In a socialist led organisation like the EU should not all members be equal and join on the same footing?

 

 

You should have a discussion with comrade Car Boot sometime - according to him the EU is a neoliberal bosses run organisation designed to screw good working class folk.

 

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/466860-consequences-of-brexit-part-7-read-first-post-before-posting/?page=160&tab=comments#comment-8231903

 

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32 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Is that true ?

Well it would be closer if they did! 

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