Euro Elections

[Pettytom 1]

Just now, WiseOwl182 said:

Or a remain vote either, since they pretend they want to honour the 2016 result. A vote for Labour is a vote for Corbyn trying to pretend to be all things to all people so that he can get his hands on power.

That’s precisely the point I was making.

 

A vote for UKIP/Farages fantasy folk/ Green/ Lib Dem are clearly votes to

leave or remain. Tory and Labour votes are more problematic to classify.

[Voice of reason 0]

Just now, Pettytom said:

That’s precisely the point I was making.

 

A vote for UKIP/Farages fantasy folk/ Green/ Lib Dem are clearly votes to

leave or remain. Tory and Labour votes are more problematic to classify.

Luckily Labour and Tories will only get 15% each and take the kick up the backside they deserve.

[Pettytom 1]

Just now, Voice of reason said:

Luckily Labour and Tories will only get 15% each and take the kick up the backside they deserve.

That’s 30% between them, without even campaigning. Enough to make reading the leave/remain balance a bit tricky, to say the least.

 

 Labour will get more than 15% anyway.

[WiseOwl182 10]

5 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

That’s precisely the point I was making.

 

A vote for UKIP/Farages fantasy folk/ Green/ Lib Dem are clearly votes to

leave or remain. Tory and Labour votes are more problematic to classify.

I'd say a Tory vote was leave, and the Labour vote should be apportioned 50/50 to both sides since nobody really knows what they stand for. I said this earlier in the thread, it's the fairest way.

[Pettytom 1]

Just now, WiseOwl182 said:

I'd say a Tory vote was leave, and the Labour vote should be apportioned 50/50 to both sides since nobody really knows what they stand for. I said this earlier in the thread, it's the fairest way.

I really don’t think it is so simple.

 

I’d vote for the fictitious donkey in a red rosette, usually. I voted Green this morning, to make my remain position clear.

 

I’d expect to see a baseline Tory/Labour vote of maybe 10% regardless of leave/remain viewpoint. After that you’ll see lots of switchers for lots of reasons.

[Voice of reason 0]

19 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I really don’t think it is so simple.

 

I’d vote for the fictitious donkey in a red rosette, usually. I voted Green this morning, to make my remain position clear.

 

I’d expect to see a baseline Tory/Labour vote of maybe 10% regardless of leave/remain viewpoint. After that you’ll see lots of switchers for lots of reasons.

That works both ways. I voted Green, but support leaving. I just think environmental issues outweigh current domestic problems. I will be minority in that respect though.

The tumbleweed party would have done well, judging by the emptiness of the polling station though.

[Cyclone 10]

15 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Manifestos supporting Leave, are Labour, Tory, Brexit, UKIP.

Supporting remain are Green and LibDem.

Is that how you propose to call it?

 

Not really, it's not a referendum and so people are voting for those parties for other reasons, except perhaps the brexit party.

[Voice of reason 0]

59 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

Not really, it's not a referendum and so people are voting for those parties for other reasons, except perhaps the brexit party.

Why wasn't a Remain party formed? Or Remainers rally behind libdems on this issue. Most parties haven't campaigned. It was the opportunity for a defacto second referendum that has been requested by lots of people. Now it seems like another 'well this one doesn't really count either' scenario.

[tzijlstra 11]

On 23/05/2019 at 00:04, lottiecass said:

Why would the eu have saved british steel? they didn't save any of the others.

As pointed out by ads36 - The EU Council proposed slapping hefty tarriffs on cheap steel from other countries (mainly China). This would have got through had Sajid Javid not turned against it and have the Tories veto the proposal.

 

This should also serve as a warning for Car Boot (as exemplified in below quoted post) and other socialist voters who think the EU is a 'capitalist racket' - it is far from it. The UK is the most capitalist country in the EU by a long, long stretch. Tory motivations are blatant to see - remove worker rights, human rights act (which actually protects workers and working rights) and so on. This is at the heart of the dichotomy of Brexit voters.

On 23/05/2019 at 06:28, Car Boot said:

I'm voting today to give the poor a pay rise by supporting a Leave party.

 

If I vote for a Remain supporting party I'm actually voting to give Goldman Sachs a pay rise.

 

[Voice of reason 0]

28 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

 

This should also serve as a warning for Car Boot (as exemplified in below quoted post) and other socialist voters who think the EU is a 'capitalist racket' - it is far from it. The UK is the most capitalist country in the EU by a long, long stretch. Tory motivations are blatant to see - remove worker rights, human rights act (which actually protects workers and working rights) and so on. This is at the heart of the dichotomy of Brexit voters.

 

Aren't those laws all transferred into uk legislation in the Withdrawal bill?

New laws would have to be passed to supercede them, they wouldn't just disappear.

[tinfoilhat 11]

33 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

As pointed out by ads36 - The EU Council proposed slapping hefty tarriffs on cheap steel from other countries (mainly China). This would have got through had Sajid Javid not turned against it and have the Tories veto the proposal.

 

This should also serve as a warning for Car Boot (as exemplified in below quoted post) and other socialist voters who think the EU is a 'capitalist racket' - it is far from it. The UK is the most capitalist country in the EU by a long, long stretch. Tory motivations are blatant to see - remove worker rights, human rights act (which actually protects workers and working rights) and so on. This is at the heart of the dichotomy of Brexit voters.

 

Did they let you vote? Lots of reports of EU nationals who were on the electoral role being denied the chance to vote.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

6 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Why wasn't a Remain party formed? 

It would never happen without the backing of the Lib Dems and the Greens and given that they are on a surge after the Newport by election and the local elections, they were never going to hand that over to a generic Remain campaign.