Euro Elections

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On 27/05/2019 at 18:20, Car Boot said:

470,351 votes in Yorkshire and the Humber for the Brexit Party! Amazing!

 

23,459 votes for the Brexit Party in Barnsley (Labour came second with 7,693 votes).

30,016 votes for the Brexit Party in Doncaster (Labour came second with 11,393 votes).

53,600 votes for the Brexit Party in wealthy Leeds (Labour came second with 36,377 votes).

 

Brexit party is the top choice for voters all over Yorkshire!

 

Yorkshire is now an EU FREE ZONE.

 

Voters have firmly rejected the metropolitan, globalist bankers vision of the UK.

 

 

And gone for the foreigner-hating crackpots instead. The Brexit lineup reads like something out of a Hammer horror film. Voters have firmly rejected, errm gone for, the metropolitan, globalist bankers vision of the UK.

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11 hours ago, L00b said:

Was that a question to me, then?

 

Because it looks like you’ve answered it yourself (moreover, wrongly so; as I pointed out to you when you first made that question-and-answer post, and as other posters have since pointed out to you as well after that re-post).

 

The 73 UK MEPs, as a whole but by themselves, have relevance in the EU Parliament that is proportional to the population of the UK. Same setup for every other EU Member State, eg tiny Luxembourg here with its 6 MEPs, France with its 72 MEPs (etc) - for a grand total of 751 MEPs.

 

Given that context, the 29 Brexit Party MEPs (less than half of the U.K. total) have less than half as much relevance as  U.K. MEPs as a whole...and I’ll let you come to terms on your own, about how much ‘havoc’ these 29 would manage to wreak by themselves out of 751 (because I’ve already explained all the above days ago).

 

Now, of course, Mr Farage is busy seeking alliances with other groups of Eurosceptic MEPs, and some of these have very strong whiffs of fascism about them, but well. So the 29 Brexit Party MEP might manage to wreak some havoc after all (if they stay in the EU Parliament long enough), if they manage to join forces with enough like-minded MEPs of other European countries...I doubt you’ll see the irony in that, even though it’s properly off-the-scale

And I doubt you see the irony of our largest elected party being an "irrelevance" in the EU parliament.

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37 minutes ago, jaffa1 said:

I never thought Tony Benn had the brains to come up with these comments,  it's  a pity his son in Parliament  doesn't  think the same way.

Those questions are much more pertinent to Farage, Johnson and the rest. Trump is letting us know he'll be boss over us in that brave new post-Brexit world that awaits of no Nissan, no Airbus, a privatised NHS and chlorinated chickens.

2 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

And I doubt you see the irony of our largest elected party being an "irrelevance" in the EU parliament.

 

2 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

And I doubt you see the irony of our largest elected party being an "irrelevance" in the EU parliament.

If Farage's past is anything to go by, they'll be more familiar with the boozers of Brussels than the debating chamber of the EU Parliament. Idle Nigel was proud to hold up a clutch of mackerel in front of a trawler crew but attended only one debate out of 43 on fisheries.

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On 01/06/2019 at 23:08, Longcol said:

There is very little chance of the Brexit Party causing havoc.

 

https://theconversation.com/brexit-party-nigel-farages-threat-to-disrupt-eu-business-is-a-waste-of-his-energy-115526

They'd need a staggering improvement on their attendance record. Farage's was less than 41%, putting him 745th out of 746 in 2016.

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1 minute ago, pss60 said:

They'd need a staggering improvement on their attendance record. Farage's was less than 41%, putting him 745th out of 746 in 2016.

You're missing the point. If our largest (by far) party (and it could be any party) has such little influence in the EU parliament, is it any wonder so many wanted Brexit when their democracy has been effectively outsourced?

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On 29/05/2019 at 00:19, Top Cats Hat said:

If you want to include Labour and Tory votes then the simplest way to do it is look at the support for each option at the referendum and assume that it hasn't changed substantially.

 

Labour got 14.1% of the vote last week which we shall assign 65% Remain and 35% Leave as per the referendum. That adds 9.1% to Remain and 5% to Leave.

 

The Conservatives got 9.09% of the vote which we shall assign 75% to Leave and 25% Remain. That adds 6.7% to Leave and 2.2% to Remain

 

Taking both into consideration that adds 11.3% to Remain and 11.7% to Leave so in fact apportioning 50:50 to all Labour and Conservative votes does almost the same thing ie cancel each other out which takes us back to my first calculation which worked out at 54.2% Remain to 45.7% Leave.

 

After finding out that both the Alliance Party in Ireland and the Womens Equality Party are both strongly Remain parties, that adds another 150,000 to the Remain tally. That then gives 54.7% Remain and 45.2% Leave which is a Remain lead of 9.5% which is only 0.5% off the 10% I mentioned earlier. Even taking into account the fact that 100% of LibDem voters weren't necessarily voting to remain that is still a substantial lead for remain over leave and whichever way you try to twist it won't change by more than 1 or 2% either way.

There's also the demographic effect. Seven out of every ten voters who die are Brexiteers. Eight out of every ten reaching 18 are Remainers, and because of the age gap between the typical Brexiteer and the typical Remainer we are seeing Remain's lead grow by almost 500,000 every year from reaching Crossover Day on 19th January - the day according to Peter Kellner where Britain would become a Remain country, even if nobody who voted in a future referendum changed their minds from the 2016 Referendum.

 

Besides, by 2024, there will be more Remain voters still alive who voted in that referendum than Brexiteers thanks to that demographic effect - stripping out those who will have turned 18 since then. Another effect is improving education levels among the population - 24% of postgraduates voted for Brexit while 78% of those with few or no qualifications did so - and the number of people with few or no qualifications will shrink over time.

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1 minute ago, pss60 said:

There's also the demographic effect. Seven out of every ten voters who die are Brexiteers. Eight out of every ten reaching 18 are Remainers. The effect of that is to widen Remain's lead by almost 500,000 every year since we reached Crossover Day on 19th January - the day according to Peter Kellner where Britain would become a Remain country, even if nobody who voted changed their minds from the 2016 Referendum.

Have you asked them how they voted.

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8 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

You're missing the point. If our largest (by far) party (and it could be any party) has such little influence in the EU parliament, is it any wonder so many wanted Brexit when their democracy has been effectively outsourced?

You've voted for a bunch of foreigner-hating idlers who are there for the free ride.

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25 minutes ago, pss60 said:

You've voted for a bunch of foreigner-hating idlers who are there for the free ride.

I didn't vote for them.

32 minutes ago, pss60 said:

. Another effect is improving education levels among the population - 24% of postgraduates voted for Brexit while 78% of those with few or no qualifications did so - and the number of people with few or no qualifications will shrink over time.

This isn't separate to the age correlation, it's the same thing. Far fewer older people went to university. It doesn't make Brexit voters stupid, it simply means far fewer of that generation went to uni.

 

In general, people get more conservative as they age, so people dying will be replaced by a new generation of old people. Rather than second guessing how future referenda may or may not work out, why not accept the result of the one we had?

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59 minutes ago, pss60 said:

And gone for the foreigner-hating crackpots instead. The Brexit lineup reads like something out of a Hammer horror film. Voters have firmly rejected, errm gone for, the metropolitan, globalist bankers vision of the UK.

I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of metropolitan globalist bankers want the UK to REMAIN in the EU.

 

Goldman Sachs was very vocal about instructing voters to support Remain in the referendum.

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Just now, Car Boot said:

I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of metropolitan globalist bankers want the UK to REMAIN in the EU.

Lets not forget that this Government opposes measures brought in by the EU to prevent a repeat of the banking crisis of 2008. You can be certain that metropolitan globalist bankers over here don't want any regulations. The most unscrupulous part of the Establishment is pro-Brexit. Only an idiot could imagine that Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg aren't Establishment figures. They've made fools of large swathes of the population, and all hell will break loose when voters finally discover they've been made fools of by Farage and the like.

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4 minutes ago, pss60 said:

Lets not forget that this Government opposes measures brought in by the EU to prevent a repeat of the banking crisis of 2008. You can be certain that metropolitan globalist bankers over here don't want any regulations. The most unscrupulous part of the Establishment is pro-Brexit. Only an idiot could imagine that Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg aren't Establishment figures. They've made fools of large swathes of the population, and all hell will break loose when voters finally discover they've been made fools of by Farage and the like.

So why do the overwhelming majority - if not ALL - of the global banking firms want the UK to REMAIN in the EU?

 

Global finance capitalism supports REMAIN.

Edited June 3, 2019 by Car Boot