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10 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

As the Euro election was a proportional representation election, in what way could 30% of the vote be considered “winning”?

A point repeatedly ignored by Farage when it was put to him by Channel Four News last night. When it was put to him that anti-Brexit parties had out performed pro-Brexit parties 40%-34% he said that that was typical remainer spin!

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6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A point repeatedly ignored by Farage when it was put to him by Channel Four News last night. When it was put to him that anti-Brexit parties had out performed pro-Brexit parties 40%-34% he said that that was typical remainer spin!

Typical Leaver who is lacking in basic education. Seriously, maths is one of those fundamental subjects where numerical proof and logic is easy to understand. Obviously it is beyond some simpletons. 

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15 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

A point repeatedly ignored by Farage when it was put to him by Channel Four News last night. When it was put to him that anti-Brexit parties had out performed pro-Brexit parties 40%-34% he said that that was typical remainer spin!

Brexit parties:

Brexit party 31.7

ukip 3.6

= 34%

 

Anti-brexit parties:

greens 11.1

libdems 18.5

snp 3.3

32.9%

 

Labour are pro leave, very soft form, Tories pro leave of varying forms. How did they come up with 40%?

 

 

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1 minute ago, ez8004 said:

Typical Leaver who is lacking in basic education. Seriously, maths is one of those fundamental subjects where numerical proof and logic is easy to understand. 

I disagree.

 

Farage has made a personal fortune in finance so clearly has no difficulty in understanding maths.  Like Trump, Farage talks directly to his fans who don't undunderstand maths and economics and will just believe anything that he says. 

 

I've spoken to two leave supporters already who think that Farage winning the largest slice of the vote means that the majority of people now support leaving the EU and no amount of simple maths will not convince them otherwise. 

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41 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It does indeed depend upon the type of election.

 

As the Euro election was a proportional representation election, in what way could 30% of the vote be considered “winning”?

The  30.5%  of the vote which the Brexit Party  got is considered winning because no other single party got anywhere near as high share of the vote.  The  single party that came second got about 20% of vote.

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19 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

Typical Leaver who is lacking in basic education. Seriously, maths is one of those fundamental subjects where numerical proof and logic is easy to understand. Obviously it is beyond some simpletons. 

Are you saying Leave voters typically lack basic education? Really? 50% of the electorate don't have basic education?

Perhaps you should propose criteria for being able to vote. Age 18-40 , to get rid of the troublesome old people, degree educated only, also all those distasteful types who live in scummy areas. That should help get the 'right' results.

 

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3 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Are you saying Leave voters typically lack basic education? Really? 50% of the electorate don't have basic education?

Perhaps you should propose criteria for being able to vote. Age 18-40 , to get rid of the troublesome old people, degree educated only, also all those distasteful types who live in scummy areas. That should help get the 'right' results.

 

One good thing in my view that this referendum has done, is that it has made some people that liked to pretend they were  progressive and morally superior, drop that facade and reveal their true colours. 

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The question would be

"did everyone who voted for the losing parties do so because they believed in remaining in the EU, or to get a party MEP elected"

 

The Brexit Party didn't need that question.

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37 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Brexit parties:

Brexit party 31.7

ukip 3.6

= 34%

 

Anti-brexit parties:

greens 11.1

libdems 18.5

snp 3.3

32.9%

 

Labour are pro leave, very soft form, Tories pro leave of varying forms. How did they come up with 40%?

 

 

Presumably by counting all remain parties and using the correct numbers ?

 

Brexit 31.6

UKIP 3.3

Total 34.9

 

LibDems 20.3

Green 12.1

SNP 3.6

Change UK 3.4

Plaid Cymru 1.0

Total 40.4

 

Source :  https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/crjeqkdevwvt/the-uks-european-elections-2019

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4 minutes ago, retep said:

The question would be

"did everyone who voted for the losing parties do so because they believed in remaining in the EU, or to get a party MEP elected"

 

The Brexit Party didn't need that question.

Exactly correct.  Ann Widdocombe made the same point. The people who chose to vote for the Brexit Party did so for one reason only.

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55 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

Typical Leaver who is lacking in basic education. Seriously, maths is one of those fundamental subjects where numerical proof and logic is easy to understand. Obviously it is beyond some simpletons. 

I voted remain but this is disinenguous.

 

For a start it assumes that everyone who didn't vote for the Brexit Party voted based  on their views on leaving the EU - no such assumption can be made for anyone who voted for the Brexit Party - as they were running solely as a platform for people who want to leave.

 

The original referendum result should have been respected and we should be out by now.

 

Three years later a party called "The Brexit Party" has just taken a third of the vote - there is far more of a mandate from the electorate for leaving then there is for staying in the EU.

 

That saddens me but should be respected. Prolonging leaving the EU has strengthened the resolve of the right and reintroduced Nigel Farate to front line politics.

9 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

Presumably by counting all remain parties and using the correct numbers ?

 

Brexit 31.6

UKIP 3.3

Total 34.9

 

LibDems 20.3

Green 12.1

SNP 3.6

Change UK 3.4

Plaid Cymru 1.0

Total 40.4

 

Source :  https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/crjeqkdevwvt/the-uks-european-elections-2019

Unfortunately you can't add all the other votes together - that's not how it works.

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2 minutes ago, makapaka said:

there is far more of a mandate from the electorate for leaving then there is for staying in the EU.

Absolute rubbish!

 

40% of the electorate voted for expressly Remain parties. Only 32% of the electorate voted for expressly Leave parties.

 

In what world does that represent a mandate for leaving the EU? 😱

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