Euro Elections

[ez8004 10]

1 minute ago, I1L2T3 said:

On the face of it, it looks like it’s a polarisation between no deal and remain.

That is a step forward because it shows us perhaps what the essential choice is. 

 

But....no PM is going to get a no deal through Parliament. No deal is dead. That leaves compromise or revoke.

This is a good point as it means that only moderates will be considered true contenders. There are enough Tory MPs to bring down the government if a PM was foolish enough to try to ram no-deal through. 

 

Bye bye Raab and Johnson. Leadsom and McVey could be added to this list as well. 

2 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

That's irrelevant. In an EU election, it's the position of the party on the EU that matters. Conservatives stand for leave, so their votes count for leave. Labour's position has been too unclear (although they officially stick by the 2016 result, but I'll be generous and split their vote 50/50).

That’s not how referendums are counted is it? Why do you think analysis of the results now is mainly by vote share and not MEPs won?

[WiseOwl182 10]

3 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

 

That’s not how referendums are counted is it? Why do you think analysis of the results now is mainly by vote share and not MEPs won?

I'm talking about vote share, not MEPs. I'm confused as to how you came to that conclusion.

[I1L2T3 10]

2 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

I'm talking about vote share, not MEPs. I'm confused as to how you came to that conclusion.

For this election it’s PR. Brexit Party got 28 seats. UKIP lost 24 seats. Not much of a move from 2014 for Farage.

 

On the other hand remain supporting parties made huge gains.

 

The country is still split pretty much along the same lines, and both leave and remain can claim to have done very well.

 

Basically Farage didn’t break the deadlock. 

 

[WiseOwl182 10]

7 hours ago, ez8004 said:

Brexiteers do generally have lower attainment of education.  Simple stats, it's not even stats, it's basic arithmetic eludes them.

Brexiteers are generally older people, who were young at a time when far fewer people went to university than they do now. It's not a reflection of intelligence, merely of consequences.

[WiseOwl182 10]

UK results based on vote share after 10 of 12 regions:

 

Leave:

Brexit Party 33.3%

Conservatives 8.8%

UKIP 3.5%

Half of Labour 7.3%

 

Total: 52.9%

 

Leave 52.9, remain 47.1

[despritdan 241]

All we've learned from an election in which less than 38% of the voters could be bothered to vote, is that as a nation, we're politically apathetic. This was a golden opportunity for those who voted to leave the EU to express their anger at how they've been betrayed  by our politicians but the majority just couldn't be bothered. Perhaps someone should start an Apathy Party which would be allocated all the votes of people who didn't bother to vote. They wouldn't have any policies and none of their MPs would bother to vote on anything. If that happened, they'd win by a landslide.

[I1L2T3 10]

9 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

UK results based on vote share after 10 of 12 regions:

 

Leave:

Brexit Party 33.3%

Conservatives 8.8%

UKIP 3.5%

Half of Labour 7.3%

 

Total: 52.9%

 

Leave 52.9, remain 47.1

Desperate

[WiseOwl182 10]

7 minutes ago, despritdan said:

All we've learned from an election in which less than 38% of the voters could be bothered to vote, is that as a nation, we're politically apathetic. This was a golden opportunity for those who voted to leave the EU to express their anger at how they've been betrayed  by our politicians but the majority just couldn't be bothered. Perhaps someone should start an Apathy Party which would be allocated all the votes of people who didn't bother to vote. They wouldn't have any policies and none of their MPs would bother to vote on anything. If that happened, they'd win by a landslide.

To many leavers, it was am election that should never have happened, so it's not surprising why many didn't bother. It was an opportunity for remainers to turn out in force and make the case for a 2nd referendum. They didn't.

 

2 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Desperate

Care to elaborate?

Edited May 27, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[melthebell 863]

10 minutes ago, despritdan said:

They wouldn't have any policies and none of their MPs would bother to vote on anything. If that happened, they'd win by a landslide.

Sounds like the brexit party lol

[Dardandec 32]

12 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

UK results based on vote share after 10 of 12 regions:

 

Leave:

Brexit Party 33.3%

Conservatives 8.8%

UKIP 3.5%

Half of Labour 7.3%

 

Total: 52.9%

 

Leave 52.9, remain 47.1

You are assuming every conservative voter is a leaver, and 50 percent of Labour voters are leavers. Remain won, get over it. Art 50 revoke coming soon.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

28 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Leave would win a second referendum.

Are you serious?

 

What Thursday's vote showed was that Remain supporters are no longer prepared to be silent and will come out in droves to support any side who are unapologetically in favour of remaining in the EU. 2016 was a 'leavers referendum' where most people who didn't bother were remain supporters.

 

They wont do that again and another referendum could realistically see a 60-70% vote for Remain.

 

[ez8004 10]

11 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

UK results based on vote share after 10 of 12 regions:

 

Leave:

Brexit Party 33.3%

Conservatives 8.8%

UKIP 3.5%

Half of Labour 7.3%

 

Total: 52.9%

 

Leave 52.9, remain 47.1

All Tories are Leavers are they? I think 5 million Tory voters might argue otherwise. Also, three quarters of Labour voters are remainers. 

 

You claim to be intelligent but on this showing, it is definitely not the case. 

 

A fairer reflection of the vote share would be;

 

Remain - 53.7%

Leave - 41.3%

 

Vote share are only from definitively pro Brexit or remain parties with the Tory and Labour vote apportioned fairly as I have described.