Euro Elections

[Funky_Gibbon 42]

There will be lot of nonsense written and said about what the results mean, and why it means that whatever that person wants to be true is true, over the next 24 hours but the only meaningful result of this election is that yesterday the UK was represented in the EU Parliament by a right-wing majority of MEPs and this morning it's represented by a left-wing majority of MEPs. Everything else said about the results today is just spin by political parties and activists vying for your attention.

[I1L2T3 10]

59 minutes ago, Pyrotequila said:

Just sat watching Good Morning Britain, and they had an interview with the Lib Dem president.

I'm sure I heard her say...

 

"Well if you add in the votes for the Greens then we actually did really well from last time"

 

How irrelevant is that?!

They didn't vote for you...they voted for another party.

That's like saying "well if you add all the goals scored by Manchester United, then our team actually won the Championship"

The point is that pro-remain parties actually had an excellent result too. To the extent that as we shall see in coming weeks the Brexit party did not do enough.

[El Cid 218]

29 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

The point is that pro-remain parties actually had an excellent result too. To the extent that as we shall see in coming weeks the Brexit party did not do enough.

Turnout was 36%, so 64% couldn't give a flying fig what happens to Brexit, just sort it out!

[WiseOwl182 10]

8 hours ago, ez8004 said:

 

 

Wales has flipped to being a Remain nation.

Only very, very slightly.

 

Wales results: 

 

Leave:

Brexit Party - 271,404 - 32.5%

Conservatives - 54,587 - 6.5%

UKIP - 27,566 - 3.3%

Total: 42.3%

 

Remain:

Plaid Cymru - 163,928 - 19.6%

Lib Dems - 113,885 - 13.6%

Green - 52,660 - 6.3%

Change UK - 24,332 - 2.9%

Total: 42.4%

 

In, out, shake it all about (assign half to each side)

Labour - 127,833 - 15.3%

 

= Leave 49.95%

Remain 50.05%

[tzijlstra 11]

Pleased for Sheffield - both Shaffaq Muhammad and Magid Magid will represent the city well (should we remain) congrats gents!

[Pettytom 1]

3 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Only very, very slightly.

 

Wales results: 

 

Leave:

Brexit Party - 271,404 - 32.5%

Conservatives - 54,587 - 6.5%

UKIP - 27,566 - 3.3%

Total: 42.3%

 

Remain:

Plaid Cymru - 163,928 - 19.6%

Lib Dems - 113,885 - 13.6%

Green - 52,660 - 6.3%

Change UK - 24,332 - 2.9%

Total: 42.4%

 

In, out, shake it all about (assign half to each side)

Labour - 127,833 - 15.3%

 

= Leave 49.95%

Remain 50.05%

Labour haven’t helped anyone with their ambiguous stance, have they.

 

Looking at the national results, we can conclude that The Brexit Party have done well. Green/LD have done well. Change have gone. Labour and Tories were hopeless.

 

I’m not sure that we are much further forward. My money is on Labour and the Tories polarising into no deal/people’s vote parties in the next few months. 

[WiseOwl182 10]

Just now, Pettytom said:

Labour haven’t helped anyone with their ambiguous stance, have they.

 

Looking at the national results, we can conclude that The Brexit Party have done well. Green/LD have done well. Change have gone. Labour and Tories were hopeless.

 

I’m not sure that we are much further forward. My money is on Labour and the Tories polarising into no deal/people’s vote parties in the next few months. 

What we can conclude is the results show so far, if you split the Labour vote across each side, that it's still pretty much the same leave V remain split as in 2016. I don't think a second referendum is the panacea that people think it is. How we do get out of this mess though, I have no idea.

[ez8004 10]

9 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Only very, very slightly.

 

Wales results: 

 

Leave:

Brexit Party - 271,404 - 32.5%

Conservatives - 54,587 - 6.5%

UKIP - 27,566 - 3.3%

Total: 42.3%

 

Remain:

Plaid Cymru - 163,928 - 19.6%

Lib Dems - 113,885 - 13.6%

Green - 52,660 - 6.3%

Change UK - 24,332 - 2.9%

Total: 42.4%

 

In, out, shake it all about (assign half to each side)

Labour - 127,833 - 15.3%

 

= Leave 49.95%

Remain 50.05%

Your analysis isn’t very fair at all. Considering a third of Tory voters are remainers and 75% of Labour voters are remainers, it swings Wales quite firmly from Leave to remain. 

[Car Boot 10]

Leave would win a second referendum.

 

The establishment now knows this. Remain wouldn't have young EU nationals voting to distort the result.

[I1L2T3 10]

2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Labour haven’t helped anyone with their ambiguous stance, have they.

 

Looking at the national results, we can conclude that The Brexit Party have done well. Green/LD have done well. Change have gone. Labour and Tories were hopeless.

 

I’m not sure that we are much further forward. My money is on Labour and the Tories polarising into no deal/people’s vote parties in the next few months. 

On the face of it, it looks like it’s a polarisation between no deal and remain.

That is a step forward because it shows us perhaps what the essential choice is. 

 

But....no PM is going to get a no deal through Parliament. No deal is dead. That leaves compromise or revoke.

[ez8004 10]

Just now, Car Boot said:

Leave would win a second referendum.

 

The establishment now knows this. Remain wouldn't have young EU nationals voting to distort the result.

Not heard about the EU nationals and British expats not being able to vote and the government is getting sued because of it?

 

if anything, this actually unintentionally given us quite a nice snapshot of voting intentions if a second referendum was held.

 

This election result only further strengthens the argument for a second referendum.  

[WiseOwl182 10]

2 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

Your analysis isn’t very fair at all. Considering a third of Tory voters are remainers and 75% of Labour voters are remainers, it swings Wales quite firmly from Leave to remain. 

That's irrelevant. In an EU election, it's the position of the party on the EU that matters. Conservatives stand for leave, so their votes count for leave. Labour's position has been too unclear (although they officially stick by the 2016 result, but I'll be generous and split their vote 50/50).