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3 minutes ago, XXTickerXX said:

You seem like a typical sore loser. Most remainiacs are. Enjoy having Prime minister Farage being in charge. 

 

The basic arithmetic that means 48% means we don't want to leave because it beats 52%. Oh wait ...... Please remind us all how bright you are again. It's fun.

If you can't see the shifting of public opinion then that is your problem.  The 2016 result is becoming more irrelevant by the day.  If it was so important, explain to me why we haven't left and why we are having these elections?

 

I am playing the long game.  What are you playing?

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Just now, ez8004 said:

If you can't see the shifting of public opinion then that is your problem.  The 2016 result is becoming more irrelevant by the day.  If it was so important, explain to me why we haven't left and why we are having these elections?

Because we have an inept government as is being shown in these elections. 

 

Brexit party doing great. That does not seem to me that public opinion has shifted. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

If you can't see the shifting of public opinion then that is your problem.  The 2016 result is becoming more irrelevant by the day.  If it was so important, explain to me why we haven't left and why we are having these elections?

 

I am playing the long game.  What are you playing?

If there has been a shifting of public opinion, explain to me why a hard Brexit party is winning more votes and seats than any other party? Shouldn't it be a Remainer party winning the most votes and seats?

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Just now, Car Boot said:

If there has been a shifting of public opinion, explain to me why a hard Brexit party is winning more votes and seats than any other party? Shouldn't it be a Remainer party winning the most votes and seats?

The Remainer Parties collectively do have the most votes and seats.

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10 minutes ago, ez8004 said:

The Remainer Parties collectively do have the most votes and seats.

He's got a point. Even considering a 35-40% turnout, you'd expect the greens and lib dems to have more combined votes than the brexit party on their own and they haven't. 

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8 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

He's got a point. Even considering a 35-40% turnout, you'd expect the greens and lib dems to have more combined votes than the brexit party on their own and they haven't. 

Why are you excluding the SNP and PC? Do the Scots and Welsh not deserve to have their votes counted? What about Change UK?

 

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People (and all the "experts" and mainly remainers) seems to have forgotten 2 important things:

 

1) Many Leavers have boycotted this election, because we shouldn't even be involved, costing the tax payer over £100mil.

 

2) All EU nationals in the UK can vote in this EU election, guess which side/parties they vote for? this means lib dems & greens votes are artificially inflated, when it comes to the General Election and god forbid 2nd ref, the remain side will be without those votes from EU nationals.

 

Also don't forget after 3 years of nastiness and abuse thrown at Leavers, a lot of people have become "quiet" Leavers, (like the "quiet conservatives", and not answering polls, not talking about politics, but they do their talking in the voting booth.

 

Hence why Leave won in 2016, people who rarely or never votes, when it comes to such an important issue, they vote in large and unexpected numbers. 

 

In a general election any remain party will split the vote and the Brexit Party will mop the floor with them manifesto or not. 

 

This is what it would look like in a first past the post system. Still want another referendum or election?

 

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The Brexit Party currently on 29 seats are now the largest single party in the European Parliament out of every single country. Could get a few more yet.

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10 minutes ago, XXTickerXX said:

People (and all the "experts" and mainly remainers) seems to have forgotten 2 important things:

 

1) Many Leavers have boycotted this election, because we shouldn't even be involved, costing the tax payer over £100mil.

 

2) All EU nationals in the UK can vote in this EU election, guess which side/parties they vote for? this means lib dems & greens votes are artificially inflated, when it comes to the General Election and god forbid 2nd ref, the remain side will be without those votes from EU nationals.

 

Also don't forget after 3 years of nastiness and abuse thrown at Leavers, a lot of people have become "quiet" Leavers, (like the "quiet conservatives", and not answering polls, not talking about politics, but they do their talking in the voting booth.

 

Hence why Leave won in 2016, people who rarely or never votes, when it comes to such an important issue, they vote in large and unexpected numbers. 

 

In a general election any remain party will split the vote and the Brexit Party will mop the floor with them manifesto or not. 

 

This is what it would look like in a first past the post system. Still want another referendum or election?

 

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The Brexit Party currently on 29 seats are now the largest single party in the European Parliament out of every single country. Could get a few more yet.

A very narrow minded view. A very large portion of EU nationals couldn’t vote and a very significant number of British expats couldn’t vote. So your second point is invalid. 

 

As for many leavers boycotted these elections. Got any actual facts to support this? Turnout is roughly the same as it has always been. No real indication that more remainers or leavers voted this time around. 

 

Being very desperate by not legitimately considering all remain parties since they all make up the left leaning political groups in the EU Parliament. The right leaning groups are collectively in the minority now. 

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A very large portion of EU nationals couldn’t vote and a very significant number of British expats couldn’t vote.

Really. I read there was issue with just a few. Got any numbers? The only reports I saw was maybe hundreds. Hardly going to affect any results.

 

The Tories are a leaver party as stated in their manifesto.  Leaving Conservatives out of "Pro Brexit" is a tad dubious. They've just been rubbish at organising it.

Also Labour stated they wanted a soft brexit. If there was a Remain party that formed 6 weeks ago and got the majority of the vote  remainers would say that was a clear message.......Change UK you say.....oh wait.

Labour, Conservatives, UKIP and Brexit are all pro-leave from a party stand point. The conservatives have rejected a 2nd ref over and over, Corbyn is Anti EU and has been from the start and the fact he wont come out fully behind 2nd referendum is why they have been bleeding voters for months.

 

Government: "We'll implement the results of the referendum, leave or remain"

leave wins

 

Government: "Well obviously we can't leave. Let's have an EU election in the UK 3 years after the referendum"

Brexit party wins after being here for a few weeks.

 

Remainers: "The results are clear, people want a second referendum"?!?!?!?!?

 

"Bigotry rises 17% across Britain": BBC news tomorrow probably.

 

Donald Tusk: vote for change UK

Farage: vote for Brexit party

Brexit party 29 seats so far to Change UK's ..... 0  That worked out well for a foreigner meddling in our elections.

 

To sum up this night the Brexit Party won and remainers try to tally up all other parties that lost to compare it using mental gymnastics that would make them look like stretch armstrong with all the reaching they do. Put this in a very real perspective. If a general election was called soon there is a very real possibility that Nigel Farage could be the next prime minister. Labour now have to stop fence sitting and decide leave or remain and the Tories have no option but go hard brexit or be entirely decimated by the the Brexit Party.

 

There is a major reason why super majorities were ruled out for the EU referendum.

It's because the SNP insisted that the Indy Ref in 2014 had to be a simple majority of 50% + 1.

Once that was agreed, the EU ref had to be done on the same basis. Leave won. To deny carrying it out means you hate democracy. Thank the SNP for that.

 

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In a General Election there is no seat for coming second in the constituency vote.  The remainers would have to get behind a single party.

 

Night night.

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Just sat watching Good Morning Britain, and they had an interview with the Lib Dem president.

I'm sure I heard her say...

 

"Well if you add in the votes for the Greens then we actually did really well from last time"

 

How irrelevant is that?!

They didn't vote for you...they voted for another party.

That's like saying "well if you add all the goals scored by Manchester United, then our team actually won the Championship"

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5 hours ago, ez8004 said:

Brexiteers do generally have lower attainment of education.  Simple stats, it's not even stats, it's basic arithmetic eludes them.

I understand also that leavers tend to be older.   There were far fewer opportunities for university for older age groups.    So, whilst we oldies may not have the same level of academic qualifications, its foolish to think we are less intelligent than younger generations.  

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