Euro Elections

[ez8004 10]

It was apparently enshrined in law as some immovable object that we leave on 29th March. How did that work out?

 

How about 12th April? Oh wait......

[L00b 441]

18 hours ago, apelike said:

[...]

 

I will when we have left. 

Friendly suggestion: don't hold your breath. 

 

[Magilla 510]

16 hours ago, apelike said:

No, I voted leave and the current mess is the making of parliament and the politicians in charge.

The current mess is entirely the result of a voters asking parliament to deliver on promises that weren't based in truth or in any way deliverable.

 

16 hours ago, apelike said:

So you are now evading the question because you dont like it!

Evading what? I'm fairly sure a remainer who failed to vote would consider themselves to be really stupid about now...

 

16 hours ago, apelike said:

My responsibility is the same as anyone else in a representative democracy, I vote and the representatives decide on the outcome. I have no power over what they do and they could have just ignored the outcome despite me voting.

Aye, your vote gives nutters a voice and influence, and when they start doing and saying nutty things... nothing to do with you!

 

16 hours ago, apelike said:

Yes I can. Did I know at the time that May would try and deal it away?

Deal it away! I mean... listen to yourself!

 

The notion that anything was "dealt away" given the UK's weak hand is laughable.

 

May hasn't dealt anything away, what she's done simply reflects the UK's hand.

 

May is involved because Brexiteers had 2 years in charge of negotiations, and on the whole, couldn't be bothered to turn up!

 

16 hours ago, apelike said:

Did I know at the time that parliament would be this involved and take control?

So basically, it's nothing to do with you because you couldn't be bothered to think it through?

 

16 hours ago, apelike said:

I like many other expected to leave in the sense of what leave means.

No-one can possibly claim they weren't informed during the referendum that leaving would be an utter shambles and damage the UK's propserity and influence.

 

If you voted for it, you are in part responsible.

 

16 hours ago, apelike said:

Just in case you dont understand that, I leave  you with this:

 

Leave

verb

1.

go away from.

"she left London on June 6"

synonyms:depart from, go away from, go from, withdraw from, retire from, take oneself off from, exit from, take one's leave of, pull out of, quit, be gone from, decamp from, disappear from, abandon, vacate, absent oneself from, evacuate;

Perhaps a better example than you imagined, since if you continue reading you get a more complete understanding:

 

2.    allow or cause to remain - "the parts he disliked he would alter and the parts he didn't dislike he'd leave"

 

So, what does leave mean.. oh yeah, leave means leave.. right?

 

 

 

[apelike 10]

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

The current mess is entirely the result of a voters asking parliament to deliver on promises that weren't based in truth or in any way deliverable.

No the current mess as I have explained is because of parliament and as far as I know voters have never asked parliament to deliver on promises, it was an advisory referendum after all. If the campaigns weren't based on truth then parliament could have easily cancelled the referendum result but didnt, so obviously they didnt think the same as you.

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

Evading what? I'm fairly sure a remainer who failed to vote would consider themselves to be really stupid about now...

But despite that they still complain on here.

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

Aye, your vote gives nutters a voice and influence, and when they start doing and saying nutty things... nothing to do with you!

Nope, its called my democratic right to exercise what little I can by voting. Its tough you dont like it but that is how it works, you probably think the same when you disapprove of a political party getting into power. 

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

May hasn't dealt anything away, what she's done simply reflects the UK's hand.

No, In the time after the triggering of A50 all that has happened is that May has tried to make a deal with the EU instead of planning ahead to leave. Parliament have so far rejected that deal which shows how good that deal was. That deal keeps us very closely tied to the EU in many ways, we would even still pay VAT to them and have a NI backstop that we as a democratic nation cannot alter or get out of.

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

So basically, it's nothing to do with you because you couldn't be bothered to think it through?

No I thought it through and wanted a so called hard brexit and to just leave. We keep being reminded of the David Davis remark about democracy and it seem he is right in that the UK cannot change its mind in this instance.

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

No-one can possibly claim they weren't informed during the referendum that leaving would be an utter shambles and damage the UK's propserity and influence.

Ahh a strawman... I have never claimed that.

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

If you voted for it, you are in part responsible.

Yes my responsibility was to vote, unlike those that still complain about the outcome that didnt vote.

 

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

So, what does leave mean.. oh yeah, leave means leave.. right?

Now at last you are getting it..... 

[apelike 10]

9 hours ago, L00b said:

Friendly suggestion: don't hold your breath. 

I wont and if it does not happen I will be laughing out loud.

Edited May 16, 2019 by apelike

[Car Boot 10]

On 15/05/2019 at 14:34, Top Cats Hat said:

I suspect that there will have to be a discussion about the way forward after the €uro elections.

 

It is all very well banging on about how well the Brexit Party will do in these elections but the elephant in the room is that judging by the most recent poll, the Brexit Party and UKIP will end up with 38% of the vote and the others will end up with 54% of the vote.

 

Where does that leave the ‘will of the people’ argument?

 

 

The majority of the other parties support giving the people what they voted for three years ago.

 

The EU elections will result in another huge vote for Leave. 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

27 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The majority of the other parties support giving the people what they voted for three years ago.

Really?

 

Is that why Conservative members and councillors are telling us that they are going to vote for Farage.

 

Support for Brexit will be measured by the number of voters who support Farage, UKIP and the BNP. All other votes can safely be seen as remain. As of the last poll it stands at Leave 28% Remain 55%! 😂

[Car Boot 10]

1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Really?

 

Is that why Conservative members and councillors are telling us that they are going to vote for Farage.

 

Support for Brexit will be measured by the number of voters who support Farage, UKIP and the BNP. All other votes can safely be seen as remain. As of the last poll it stands at Leave 28% Remain 55%! 😂

The Tories and the Labour Party both support Leave.

 

There will be a massive Leave vote at the EU elections.

 

Only Change-UK, the Lib Dems and the Greens support Remain.

[melthebell 862]

13 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The Tories and the Labour Party both support Leave.

 

There will be a massive Leave vote at the EU elections.

 

Only Change-UK, the Lib Dems and the Greens support Remain.

but i thought ukip and brexit party AND Tommy Robinson were all going to take votes from labour AND the tories? and ukip / Brexit party / Tommy Robinson will all take votes off each other.

 

whereas remainers are being urged to vote lib dems as to stop that happening to the remain side

[Car Boot 10]

47 minutes ago, melthebell said:

but i thought ukip and brexit party AND Tommy Robinson were all going to take votes from labour AND the tories? and ukip / Brexit party / Tommy Robinson will all take votes off each other.

 

whereas remainers are being urged to vote lib dems as to stop that happening to the remain side

So what you mean is that only Lib Dem votes can be counted as votes for Remaining in the EU?

 

The Leave vote will be huge.

[melthebell 862]

8 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

So what you mean is that only Lib Dem votes can be counted as votes for Remaining in the EU?

 

The Leave vote will be huge.

sigh, NO, read what i put again.

 

Theres going to be at least 3 major leave parties taking votes off each other

Theres a couple of remain parties but remainers are being urged to get behind one most likely (lib dems) so they dont take votes off each other

Labour and Tories i agree will get a spanking.

 

It doesnt matter how large the leave vote is if they take votes off each other, that makes each parties margin smaller.

 

its not hard to understand...surely?

[I1L2T3 10]

22 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

So what you mean is that only Lib Dem votes can be counted as votes for Remaining in the EU?

 

The Leave vote will be huge.

A vote for the destruction of the NHS

 

How very socialist!