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1 hour ago, JamesR123 said:

So if I raped you, added to the indignity of the assault, you would be happy to surrender your phone to the police?

 

That would leave you cut off from a support network and you would have people looking through all the pictures, all the text messages and all the social media messages you have sent from the phone.

 

Your internet history (you got any fetishes you like to search on porn hub?) would be open to strangers.  My defence payday would bring up everything they could to discredit you.  Your family come to support you in court?  My defense lawyer tells your mum exactly what porn you like.  Exactly what you search for on the internet. 

 

It is a gross breach of privacy.

What part of RELEVANT information and INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES dont you understand.  We are not talking about someone's entire personal history being thrown around to everyone and thier mother.  

 

Now, in answer to your queston -  YES I would hand my phone over.    If I for one second considered that evidence on it would enable a fair and true investigation and bring justice as quickly as possible - without the risks of delay, adjournment or collapse due to some technicality.

 

I cannot think why any TRUE victim would think otherwise.     If you are telling the truth and have nothing to hide - what's the problem?

 

You bang on about "gross breach of privacy" well what about the accused.       Since when was it guilty until proven innocent. 

 

Why does an alleged victim get more rights to privacy than an alleged accused?    Why is it perfectly acceptable for an alleged suspect to be named and shamed, dragged through the mud with every inch of their life pulled apart for all to see.... but the accusor can maintain their annonymity and scream victimisation if anyone tries to look into their history or even access their data.

 

Fair and balanced?    My backside it is.

 

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Relevant is subjective.  There have been many cases in which an alleged victims sexual history (garnered through porn search history and old messages) have been discussed in court.

 

Even if the victim agrees that the stuff brought up by the defence is relevant, you understand that to find that, they have to go through everything on your phone right?

 

Pictures of your Mrs naked, that sneaky d pic you sent etc.

 

It was.neber guilty until proven innocent, what a stupid thing to say lol.

 

I think that the accused should get anonymity until found guilty, but that is a separate issue. 

 

I am not sure whether you have ever been witness to the aftermath of a rape, but from your stance I think you haven't.

 

It is hard enough to report the crime, this would make it harder.  If you can't understand why, then you aren't very smart.

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17 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

What part of RELEVANT information and INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES dont you understand.  We are not talking about someone's entire personal history being thrown around to everyone and thier mother.  

 

Now, in answer to your queston -  YES I would hand my phone over.    If I for one second considered that evidence on it would enable a fair and true investigation and bring justice as quickly as possible - without the risks of delay, adjournment or collapse due to some technicality.

 

I cannot think why any TRUE victim would think otherwise.     If you are telling the truth and have nothing to hide - what's the problem?

 

You bang on about "gross breach of privacy" well what about the accused.       Since when was it guilty until proven innocent. 

 

Why does an alleged victim get more rights to privacy than an alleged accused?    Why is it perfectly acceptable for an alleged suspect to be named and shamed, dragged through the mud with every inch of their life pulled apart for all to see.... but the accusor can maintain their annonymity and scream victimisation if anyone tries to look into their history or even access their data.

 

Fair and balanced?    My backside it is.

 

James, that’s some nerve that you’ve touched there.

 

If you were burgled, or mugged, or defrauded, I very much doubt that the police would investigate you, they’d be much more interested in investigating the “alleged” offender. 

 

Why should rape cases be different? 

 

By by all means, have a look at text history if that is important, but that can be done through the service provider. It isn’t right that someone who has been so badly violated at the hands of a criminal, should be even more violated by the police.

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Article in today's Independent that's infuriating. According to the report:

  • Tens of thousands of rape cases dropped because of 'police traumatising victims'
  • Only 1.5% of reported rape cases result in prosecutions

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecutions-dropping-uk-police-phones-trauma-cps-a9028181.html

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Ecco Noob, may sound like  strange question, but is one of your initials G?  Not gonna say which one, but having reread what you wrote, you really remind me of a friend of a friend who I used to drink with 7 or 8 years ago.

 

If the police had to take my phone, keep it for weeks and get access to everything, I would be less likely to report that crime.

 

My phone is intrinsic to my professional and personal life.  It has a great deal of very personal stuff on it.  Having someone else go through it would leave me feeling uneasy

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On 24/07/2019 at 23:54, ECCOnoob said:

What part of RELEVANT information and INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES dont you understand.  We are not talking about someone's entire personal history being thrown around to everyone and thier mother.  

 

Now, in answer to your queston -  YES I would hand my phone over.    If I for one second considered that evidence on it would enable a fair and true investigation and bring justice as quickly as possible - without the risks of delay, adjournment or collapse due to some technicality.

 

I cannot think why any TRUE victim would think otherwise.     If you are telling the truth and have nothing to hide - what's the problem?

 

You bang on about "gross breach of privacy" well what about the accused.       Since when was it guilty until proven innocent. 

 

Why does an alleged victim get more rights to privacy than an alleged accused?    Why is it perfectly acceptable for an alleged suspect to be named and shamed, dragged through the mud with every inch of their life pulled apart for all to see.... but the accusor can maintain their annonymity and scream victimisation if anyone tries to look into their history or even access their data.

 

Fair and balanced?    My backside it is.

 

Exactly.    :thumbsup:       I'd have no qualms about handing my phone over to the police.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, francypants said:

Exactly.    :thumbsup:       I'd have no qualms about handing my phone over to the police.

 

 

 

 

 

Would you feel as comfortable handing it over to someone you've accused of a crime? That's what has happened before with an over-worked police force when disclosing documents to the defence team they have inadvertently included material of a personal/financial nature which wasn't pertinent to the case.

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2 hours ago, francypants said:

Exactly.    :thumbsup:       I'd have no qualms about handing my phone over to the police.

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, max said:

Would you feel as comfortable handing it over to someone you've accused of a crime? That's what has happened before with an over-worked police force when disclosing documents to the defence team they have inadvertently included material of a personal/financial nature which wasn't pertinent to the case.

 

It would not bother me in the slightest.  I have absolutely nothing on my phone which I would want to hide from anybody.

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4 hours ago, Mister M said:

Article in today's Independent that's infuriating. According to the report:

  • Tens of thousands of rape cases dropped because of 'police traumatising victims'
  • Only 1.5% of reported rape cases result in prosecutions

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecutions-dropping-uk-police-phones-trauma-cps-a9028181.html

So allegations made by "victims" is beyond challenge and investigation now is it? 

 

Yes "Sarah" and "Jane" of course it's horrendously distressing and upsetting to keep going through thing - but that is the unfortunate nature of due process and fair investigation of a serious crime.   That will sometimes, and quite rightly, include personal data if the police see fit.   

 

Clearly the angle of the article is all out allegations being withdrawn because of police harassment and unfair pressure and unnecessary exposure etc etc etc etc....     How about the other angle of perhaps why allegations are withdraw following police questioning victims eh?   , evidence which contradicts.... Evidence which dispoves.   

 

Two sides to every story. 

 

 

3 hours ago, JamesR123 said:

Ecco Noob, may sound like  strange question, but is one of your initials G?  Not gonna say which one, but having reread what you wrote, you really remind me of a friend of a friend who I used to drink with 7 or 8 years ago.

 

If the police had to take my phone, keep it for weeks and get access to everything, I would be less likely to report that crime.

 

My phone is intrinsic to my professional and personal life.  It has a great deal of very personal stuff on it.  Having someone else go through it would leave me feeling uneasy

No.  Mistaken identity I'm afraid.  Not called G.

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It could be worse the young lady in Ayia Napa  wasn't even asked for her phone before the 12 alleged suspects simply uploaded their version of events . It looks like she could be doing custodial)although i very much doubt it)

 

Events like this even though they are so remote will not add anything to ongoing battles to make reporting of serious sexual offences any easier.

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