LGBT issues and morality

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On 30/03/2019 at 18:24, K1Machine said:

Is it morally right to teach kids that some people are gay and have relationships?

Its a no brainer, of course it is. It should be taught along side traditional relationships in schools.

Should it be from the age of 5?

No, not really. Let kids be kids and start teaching them about relationships/sex when they are mature enough to process this kind of information. Id say 10 years old upwards.

You've lost me. What's funny?

They aren't teaching them about sex though, they're teaching them about inclusivity.

On 30/03/2019 at 21:00, Penistone999 said:

No, it is not right to teach LGBT issues in schools , no matter what age the children are . The same as it is not right to teach any form of religion in school. If parents want to speak to their kids about these issues at home, then fair enough, but it should not be force fed children in schools. 

 

I agree with those parents in Brimingham on this issue. 

Teaching children ABOUT religion is very different to teaching them to follow a religion.  It's entirely appropriate that schools teach children about religion and about the various forms that families exist in.

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16 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

They do. As long as the religion isn't Christianity or Judaism.

They don't.  They support religious freedom and feel obliged to argue against those who stereotype entire religions.

It's entirely consistent to believe that all religions are nonsense and ultimately harmful, whilst also supporting freedom of religion and arguing against reactionary anti-xxx elements (be that anti-christian, anti-muslim, anti-shintoist or whatever).

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Those were very different times. Many early socialists in the Labour movement even believed in the monarchy despite the position being illogical.

 

I  don’t know a single socialist who would call themselves left wing who sees religion as anything other than a useful tool to keep people in their place.

 

Most of them would defend a person’s right to believe what they choose, however deluded, but they certainly would never ‘champion’ any religion as the poster was trying to claim.

What was so different?  the Labour Party hasn't changed that  much over the years. 

 

And what about the Christian Left movement, some attached to the Labour Party. 

 

It irratates me the way people generalise religous groups, when the truth is people of all beliefs or none have different political affiliations. 

 

You can be a monarchist and still have some socialist values, and you can be religious and still have some issues of difference with  the religion you follow. 

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16 minutes ago, janie48 said:

You can be a monarchist and still have some socialist values, 

I think George Orwell dealt with that definition of equality in Animal Farm!

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8 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Those were very different times. Many early socialists in the Labour movement even believed in the monarchy despite the position being illogical.

 

I  don’t know a single socialist who would call themselves left wing who sees religion as anything other than a useful tool to keep people in their place.

 

Most of them would defend a person’s right to believe what they choose, however deluded, but they certainly would never ‘champion’ any religion as the poster was trying to claim.

You’ve gone from religious to championing religion.

 

its perfectly plausible to have left wing tendencies and be religious.

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29 minutes ago, makapaka said:

You’ve gone from religious to championing religion.

No I haven't. Read my posts!

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April 1, 2019 (Human Life International) — Disturbing new data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) highlight the grave dangers that the transgender ideology poses to children. A new survey of 131,901 public school students has found that nearly 2 percent of students in grades 9–12 identify as "transgender." That translates into a staggering number of teenagers suffering profound confusion about their identity and all the accompanying psychological and physical risks.

While reliable statistics about the rates of transgenderism among high school students across time are hard to come by, more and more data suggest that there is an alarming, and rapidly growing epidemic of gender dysphoria (the clinical term for this psychological disorder) among young people.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), for instance, recently reported that children's clinics in Canada are seeing an "exponential growth" in cases of teenagers "who don't identify as the sex they were born with." A doctor at one leading children's hospital, CHEO in Ottawa, told the CBC that ten years ago the clinic might see one or two children a year seeking to "change" their gender. Last year, they saw 189 such children. In 2013, British Columbia's Children's Hospital saw 20 children seeking transgender "treatments." Last year they saw 240.

Similar increases are being seen in other countries. In the UK, officials are investigating the reasons behind a stratospheric increase in teenagers seeking "treatments" to become another gender in the past 10 years. According to The Telegraph, in 2009–10, there were just 40 girls seeking transgender "treatments" in the UK. In 2017–18, that grew to 1,806, an increase of 4,500%. Meanwhile, "referrals for boys have risen from 57 to 713 in the same period," reports The Telegraph — an increase of 1,250%.

However, instead of seeking to identify environmental factors that may be causing this rapid increase, many clinics and doctors are instead rushing to "treat" these children using drastic, and in many cases irreversible interventions.

 

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/transgender-tyranny-is-the-next-terrible-step-in-the-sexual-revolution?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=eec4425d4f-Daily%20Headlines%20-%20U.S._COPY_474&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-eec4425d4f-400674377

Edited April 2, 2019 by MAC33

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And is there any reputable source that repeats those numbers from the CDC (Which I doubt even attempts to measure such a thing).

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18 minutes ago, MAC33 said:

 

 

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/transgender-tyranny-is-the-next-terrible-step-in-the-sexual-revolution?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=eec4425d4f-Daily%20Headlines%20-%20U.S._COPY_474&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-eec4425d4f-400674377

Life site news is a far right organisation. Asking their opinion about transgenderism is a bit like asking Uncle Adolf what to do about your annoying Jewish neighbour . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/life-site-news/

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There are a few good links in the article such as this one - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/16/minister-orders-inquiry-4000-per-cent-rise-children-wanting/

 

Perhaps attack the message and not the messenger?

 

They are encouraging confused kids to seek help for a something that is pushed in their face 24/7 and at school as well. Shameful really.

Edited April 2, 2019 by MAC33

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33 minutes ago, MAC33 said:

There are a few good links in the article such as this one - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/16/minister-orders-inquiry-4000-per-cent-rise-children-wanting/

 

Perhaps attack the message and not the messenger?

 

They are encouraging confused kids to seek help for a something that is pushed in their face 24/7 and at school as well. Shameful really.

So what you are saying is that kids are becoming trans because it's taught at school?

 

I learnt about the Holocaust, and Hitler,  and Idi Amin, and Pol Pot.

 

Amazingly so far I've never tried to invade Poland, nor start up a sideline in genocide....

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It's obvious from the statistics what is happening.

 

The more this LBGQT stuff is taught is discussed  in school the more kids become aware of it.

 

Tbe  more aware of it they become the more 'normal' they consider it.

 

When you are a confused kid the more you might get confused about your own gender.