LGBT issues and morality

[Mister Gee 812]

5 minutes ago, Mister M said:

I thought as much 

He craves attention, bit of a give away really.

[nikki-red 307]

Back on topic please.

[Penistone999 10]

No, it is not right to teach LGBT issues in schools , no matter what age the children are . The same as it is not right to teach any form of religion in school. If parents want to speak to their kids about these issues at home, then fair enough, but it should not be force fed children in schools. 

 

I agree with those parents in Brimingham on this issue. 

[Robin-H 11]

11 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

No, it is not right to teach LGBT issues in schools , no matter what age the children are . The same as it is not right to teach any form of religion in school. If parents want to speak to their kids about these issues at home, then fair enough, but it should not be force fed children in schools. 

 

I agree with those parents in Brimingham on this issue. 

I’m sorry but that’s a ridiculous argument.

 

Firstly, someone’s religion and someone’s sexuality are not equivalent. You can decide to change religion, you can’t just decide to change your sexuality - it is intrinsic to who you are. It doesn’t matter if you are ‘force fed’ anything or not it isn’t going to change. 

 

I’m not sure what you mean about teaching religion in school. If you don’t think there should be any religious education in schools that’s a nonsense argument too. It would be the same to argue that history or geography shouldn’t be taught in schools. Religions are incredibly important to what makes human civilisation what it is and explains the difference and diversity between cultures.

 

Not teaching it so children have no idea about different religions would mean they would have an absolutely massive gap in their understanding of human civilisation. 

 

If you mean schools shouldn’t teach one religion as the true religion and teach the children that the religion is factually true, I agree that that is wrong and that schools shouldn’t do that. I have no idea what that has to do with teaching about LGBT issues though? 

 

As I said sexuality isn’t a choice, and no one is going to be brainwashed into being a different sexuality just because they were taught about it at school. It really is a ridiculous argument that has absolutely no merit. 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Robin-H

[Mister Gee 812]

30 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

I’m sorry but that’s a ridiculous argument.

 

Firstly, someone’s religion and someone’s sexuality are not equivalent. You can decide to change religion, you can’t just decide to change your sexuality - it is intrinsic to who you are. It doesn’t matter if you are ‘force fed’ anything or not it isn’t going to change. 

 

I’m not sure what you mean about teaching religion in school. If you don’t think there should be any religious education in schools that’s a nonsense argument too. It would be the same to argue that history or geography shouldn’t be taught in schools. Religions are incredible important to what makes human civilisation what it is and explains the difference and diversity between cultures.

 

Not teaching it so children have no idea about different religions would mean they would have an absolutely massive gap in their understanding of human civilisation. 

 

If you mean schools shouldn’t teach one religion as the true religion and teach the children that the religion is factually true, I agree that that is wrong and that schools shouldn’t do that. I have no idea what that has to do with teaching about LGBT issues though? 

 

As I said sexuality isn’t a choice, and no one is going to be brainwashed into being a different sexuality just because they were taught about it at school. It really is a ridiculous argument that has absolutely no merit. 

Excellent post Robin.

[WiseOwl182 10]

This issue highlights the incredible juxtaposition the left find themselves in. LGBTQ+abcdefg rights Vs Any religion other than Christianity. They're a champion of both but in some cases they're incompatible.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

15 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

They're a champion of both but in some cases they're incompatible.

The left don’t champion any religion as they see all of them as reactionary and anti-working class.

[WiseOwl182 10]

29 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The left don’t champion any religion as they see all of them as reactionary and anti-working class.

They do. As long as the religion isn't Christianity or Judaism.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

36 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

They do. As long as the religion isn't Christianity or Judaism.

Really? Let's see some evidence then.

 

Every single left wing socialist that I have ever met has not only been an atheist but has also been opposed to every religion given that they are all right wing, reactionary and anti-working class which prop up the rich and powerful. You can't believe in equality and then support a philosophy which has inequality at its heart.

 

Let us not forget what Lenin said.

[Halibut 12]

10 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

This issue highlights the incredible juxtaposition the left find themselves in. LGBTQ+abcdefg rights Vs Any religion other than Christianity. They're a champion of both but in some cases they're incompatible.

Bit a bizarre piece of thinking.

[janie48 95]

14 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Really? Let's see some evidence then.

 

Every single left wing socialist that I have ever met has not only been an atheist but has also been opposed to every religion given that they are all right wing, reactionary and anti-working class which prop up the rich and powerful. You can't believe in equality and then support a philosophy which has inequality at its heart.

 

Let us not forget what Lenin said.

You need to get some of your facts right. 

 

Plenty of religious people are socialists and some would be considered left-wing, and that position has applied since the foundation of the early Labour Party, when so many Labour  Party politicians and supporters of the party were practicing Christians.

 

Lenin was a Communist, there's a difference. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by janie48

[Top Cats Hat 10]

29 minutes ago, janie48 said:

 the early Labour Party, when so many Labour  Party politicians and supporters of the party were practicing Christians.

 

Lenin was a Communist, there's a difference. 

Those were very different times. Many early socialists in the Labour movement even believed in the monarchy despite the position being illogical.

 

I  don’t know a single socialist who would call themselves left wing who sees religion as anything other than a useful tool to keep people in their place.

 

Most of them would defend a person’s right to believe what they choose, however deluded, but they certainly would never ‘champion’ any religion as the poster was trying to claim.