LGBT issues and morality

[Top Cats Hat 10]

2 minutes ago, JamesR123 said:

He is an anti semite though. 

Just wanting it to be true won’t make it so. You need to provide evidence.

 

Let’s not turn this thread into yet another of your Corbyn-bashing tirades.

 

Why do you think that being told that it’s OK to be gay would make someone gay?

[*_ash_* 88]

19 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Clearly not,

 

I don’t know anyone on the left who is in anyway homophobic. I know plenty on the right who are. I don’t know anyone on the left who is racist. I know plenty on the right who are.

 

The only conflict I can possibly see is with anti-Islam racists who actually agree with the protesters in opposition to the LGBT lessons. Those on the left have no problem on either issue.

 

11 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Deluded.

Well, that saved me some time to answer this post.

 

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However, on the bold from topcat.

 

It answers what I dismissed earlier,

 

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The Labour anti-semitism one I watched with pinch of salt. I answered this question years ago.,,

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The easiest way to put this for Topcat is this... can't believe have to spell things out, as you claim to be one of the intelligent ones...

 

 

If we asked the country which is more racist, Labour or Tory? Who would score highest?

 

then Tory would obviously 'win'. Racists will always side with Tory's in the 2 horse race that we have.

 

However, just like the far-right join right wing party in votes;

anti-capitalists, communists, socialists all hook onto the other side of the 2 horse race.

 

How many far-right now in this country do you see attacking Jews in comparison to muslims or blacks?

 

Labour could end all this, by just being open and saying what we already know about the right, that there are racists linked to them.

Most far scale Anti-capitalists, communists, and some socialists don't like Jews because as a race/or culture, they're generally successful.

 

[JamesR123 0]

Just now, Top Cats Hat said:

Just wanting it to be true won’t make it so. You need to provide evidence.

 

Let’s not turn this thread into yet another of your Corbyn-bashing tirades.

 

Why do you think that being told that it’s OK to be gay would make someone gay?

You brought up Corbyn my fanatical friend.

 

If that's what you understood then you lack comprehension I feel.

 

There is a belief that normalisation of something increases frequency.  We aren't talking about homosexuality, but homosexual intercourse. 

 

It also doesnt really matter whether it will increase the likelihood of one engaging in such intercourse, as long as the parent believes it will impact their behaviour.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

6 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

Most far scale Anti-capitalists, communists, and some socialists don't like Jews because as a race/or culture, they're generally successful.

As I said to the poster known as James123R, just wishing for that to be true doesn’t make it so. You need evidence.

 

Jewish people are no more or no less successful than any other race. Trying to claim that they are is just another antisemitic trope. 

[JamesR123 0]

You just dismiss the evidence.

 

It depends how you measure success, many measurements show the Jews are a very successful people.  Nothing anti-semitic about this.

[*_ash_* 88]

1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

As I said to the poster known as James123R, just wishing for that to be true doesn’t make it so. You need evidence.

 

Jewish people are no more or no less successful than any other race. Trying to claim that they are is just another antisemitic trope. 

Blimey can you hear yourself? You saying I'm anti semitic ? I think you spending too much time on here.

 

And please don't compare/contrast me to other members for your cause or pleasure. I speak for myself, answer for myself, and don't belong to groups.

 

I'm having a different course of conversation with James123, and clearly we have differing opinions with some of his comments, but we're discussing slightly different things.

 

You always do this in here, so no surprise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

8 minutes ago, JamesR123 said:

There is a belief that normalisation of something increases frequency.  We aren't talking about homosexuality, but homosexual intercourse. 

I am not in the slightest bit interested in beliefs. I’d rather deal in evidence. 

 

I would say that it is not normalisation that increases frequency so much as repression decreases frequency. In a society devoid of any judgement you would have a certain number of people who were homosexual and they would have a certain amount of homosexual sex.

 

Call that the base level.

 

As you introduce judgement and perjoritive attitudes, the number of people expressing their homosexuality physically will reduce. If you genuinely believe that homosexuality should be treated with the same esteem as any other sexuality (or none) you will not support any attempt to demonise or warn people of whatever age about the ‘dangers of being gay.

[*_ash_* 88]

1 hour ago, JamesR123 said:

Ahh I see what you mean. 

 

However you didn't partake in my little thought experiment.

 

Imagine you hook line and sinker believe in one of the Abrahamic faiths.  You know that male on male homosexual sex is a sin, would you want your children to be taught about homosexual relationships (that often include sex).

 

It is a tough one.  I understand why the parents are complaining.  They have been hoodwinked into believing in a god that will punish homosexual intercourse with a fate unimaginable in its viciousness and cruelty.

 

If this teaching normalises homosexuality for their child, and thus makes it even 0.05 % more likely they will have homosexual sex in their lives, would you be happy?

bold, they aren't taught this at all in school.

 

The kids are taught that families have different make ups, and this is life. I wrote this out earlier.

 

Why teach kids at all, if not how society is like?

 

This would be my starting point of education.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by *_ash_*

[Top Cats Hat 10]

10 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

Blimey can you hear yourself? You saying I'm anti semitic ? I think you spending too much time on here.

People are so touchy on here!

 

I didn’t say you were antisemitic. I said that you were using an antisemitic trope to back up a weak argument.

 

That is not the same thing.

[Mister M 1,608]

1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

You're delusional. The left may oppose Christianity but certainly not Islam. The problem is when the minorities they champion contradict one another, who do they support? That's what eats them up inside.

It sounds like it's eating you up inside, and causing you some confusion.

I've no idea about the left or the right's view of religion(s), though I suspect it's a lot more nuanced and considered than your presentation of it; however I do know that the teaching of British values is absolutely the central to the education policies of the main political parties.

 

[JamesR123 0]

18 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I am not in the slightest bit interested in beliefs. I’d rather deal in evidence. 

 

I would say that it is not normalisation that increases frequency so much as repression decreases frequency. In a society devoid of any judgement you would have a certain number of people who were homosexual and they would have a certain amount of homosexual sex.

 

Call that the base level.

 

As you introduce judgement and perjoritive attitudes, the number of people expressing their homosexuality physically will reduce. If you genuinely believe that homosexuality should be treated with the same esteem as any other sexuality (or none) you will not support any attempt to demonise or warn people of whatever age about the ‘dangers of being gay.

Do you understand that some people are interested in beliefs.  Evidence is subjective.  To some people the bible/quran is evidence. 

 

I don't support it, but I understand it.

 

If you truly believed wholeheartedly, that something at your child's school was increasing their chance of going to hell, what would you do?

[Mister M 1,608]

42 minutes ago, JamesR123 said:

You brought up Corbyn my fanatical friend.

 

If that's what you understood then you lack comprehension I feel.

 

There is a belief that normalisation of something increases frequency.  We aren't talking about homosexuality, but homosexual intercourse. 

 

It also doesnt really matter whether it will increase the likelihood of one engaging in such intercourse, as long as the parent believes it will impact their behaviour.

There's only that belief in people who have no idea what they're talking about, so why should we listen to them? Further, you might be talking about 'homosexual intercourse', but the debate about the teaching of homosexuality in primary schools, where the debate is currently at, is about the mere validation of the existence of gay relationships.